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As opposed to the actual Nazis that sent them to the gas chambers. The entire point of universal human rights - which grew out of the aftermath of that same Ho

by caf 10y ago

As opposed to the actual Nazis that sent them to the gas chambers. The entire point of universal human rights - which grew out of the aftermath of that same Holocaust, incidentally - is that you don't waive them, ever. And it's particularly abhorrent to suggest that the rights of an entire group can be collectively abrogated by the actions of some - or even many or most - of that group.

tdkl 10y ago
That's a cute and proud theory until the ones who pay the bills are in place where they feel the government is neglecting them in favour of others and the economy isn't helping as well. You know, the citizens/taxpayers. Specially the lower and middle class, which is getting rare because of globalisation. Everything has its price.
- caf 10y ago
  That's a cute retort until it becomes apparent that many of those citizens/taxpayers are quite happy for their government to expend great sums of money in the service of brutalising others. https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/nauru-files https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/nauru-files
nikolay 10y ago
Well, except that the Roma Gypsies are a special case as their "integration" has been for too long unsuccessful or more directly said - self-boycotted. In fact, their integration was unsuccessful back in India, their homeland, where they recently were found via genetic studies to descend from the Untouchables caste. In their culture, unless you steal gold, it's not considered theft. Some of their tribes still cut the right thumb of their children as it's easier to pickpocket without it. They buy their women on auctions, and there's polygamy with some. There many details about the "culture" of Roma Gypsies that Westerners are unaware of. I highly recommend you the movie "Hotel Paradise" [0], which will greatly change your perspective! The entire movie is free to watch in its entirety, it seems surreal, but it's only real! [0]: https://vimeo.com/13906172 https://vimeo.com/13906172

by caf 10y ago

tdkl 10y ago

That's a cute and proud theory until the ones who pay the bills are in place where they feel the government is neglecting them in favour of others and the economy isn't helping as well. You know, the citizens/taxpayers. Specially the lower and middle class, which is getting rare because of globalisation. Everything has its price.

caf 10y ago
That's a cute retort until it becomes apparent that many of those citizens/taxpayers are quite happy for their government to expend great sums of money in the service of brutalising others. https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/nauru-files https://www.theguardian.com/news/series/nauru-files

nikolay 10y ago

Well, except that the Roma Gypsies are a special case as their "integration" has been for too long unsuccessful or more directly said - self-boycotted. In fact, their integration was unsuccessful back in India, their homeland, where they recently were found via genetic studies to descend from the Untouchables caste. In their culture, unless you steal gold, it's not considered theft. Some of their tribes still cut the right thumb of their children as it's easier to pickpocket without it. They buy their women on auctions, and there's polygamy with some. There many details about the "culture" of Roma Gypsies that Westerners are unaware of. I highly recommend you the movie "Hotel Paradise" [0], which will greatly change your perspective! The entire movie is free to watch in its entirety, it seems surreal, but it's only real! [0]: https://vimeo.com/13906172 https://vimeo.com/13906172