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Curious, do you have a handful of racist Trump quotes? Not stuff about illegals, but actual racist stuff (like not wanting to rent to blacks or something)? Tru

Curious, do you have a handful of racist Trump quotes? Not stuff about illegals, but actual racist stuff (like not wanting to rent to blacks or something)? Trump aside, electing someone that's openly corrupt (DNC Wikileaks show they went against Bernie, against rules) seems to be far more dangerous to the future of the US and worldwide democracy. Up until now, corruption was sort of assumed, but if a publicly corrupt candidate wins, it just shows "crime pays".

bcg1 10y ago
'"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." (Trump called the things written about him in the book "probably true.")' http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest... Also Trump was the President of the Trump organization when the DOJ fined the company for illegal housing discrimination, doing things like marking the lease applications of African Americans with a 'C' for 'Colored' so that they would know not to rent to them.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - bcg1 10y ago
    You might want to look into whether or not your understanding of the concept of racism comports with its actual definition.
  - morgante 10y ago
    > The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      How is it anti? It's a positive stereotype.
      - morgante 10y ago
        I'm done here. If you really cannot understand how stereotyping an entire ethnicity as short money-counters is offensive, you are far beyond help. I should have figured that from the start. It depresses me that such retrograde, Nazi-level antisemitism is tolerated on Hacker News. As a Jew, I am offended. And I'm the group who that statement is supposed to "flatter." Think of the Black accountants who Trump apparently thinks are incompetent purely due to the color of their skin. This shit belongs in the 1940s, not 2016.
        bcg1 10y ago
        Most people can see exactly who these people are, so leaving their comments up provides everyone with a persistent proof of their character.
        MichaelGG 10y ago
        The person that said the quote about which financial people he wants has Jewish grandkids. I hardly think that is "Nazi level" and I don't mind having my comment up.
    - patrickg_zill 10y ago
      Technically it is a reference only to Orthodox Jews, who wear their yarmulkes to work. Secular (non-religious or atheist or whatever) and Reform (not sure about Conservative, but I think they don't wear yarmulkes to work) Jews wouldn't be included. I know both Jews who would laugh and those who would be offended by it.
minikites 10y ago
You don't think his rhetoric against undocumented immigrants is racist?
- Zpalmtree 10y ago
  Last time I checked "undocumented" immigrants aren't a race, and they also broke the law. It's not racist to attack people breaking the law.
  - yolesaber 10y ago
    >“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” It's pretty racist to attack a whole contingent of people and make broad negative generalizations about them and qualify with a half-hearted caveat that 'some' are good people. He's quite clearly drawing a line between "you" (the white audience he was speaking to) and the Other (i.e. the Mexicans) personified as rapists and drug dealers.
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      Sounded like it was clearly "you" as legal Mexicans and other immigrants. The rest of the sentence is about illegals -- he's not, afaik, made any claims about Mexicans in general. If he was actually making a racist statement, then immigration status wouldn't matter.
      - yolesaber 10y ago
        "You" clearly haven't even read or seen the speech and are talking completely out of your ass. It was one of his opening talking points in his presidential announcement in New York City to his cronies - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/16/full-text-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06... It's pretty straightforward xenophobic, hyper jingoist nationalist rhetoric. You = us good Americans. They = the Other. He uses the car industry for Japan, a conservative talking point since the 80s. For Mexico he harps on immigration and calls them rapists. It's aggregate and subjectivity-denying. It's racist and dumb.
slantedview 10y ago
Quotes here: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/...
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  I don't see quotes on that page, just a few opening paragraphs and "Loading..." where I'd expect content to be. The opening paragraph is has a misquote/misstatement of its own so I'm a bit suspicious. The linked articles from the opening are also all-headline, little substance. I don't mean this as a defence of Trump, but people seem to read into statements to determine his racism/bigotry/whatever. AFAIK he has not technically made a racist statement in any of his campaigning, for instance.

bcg1 10y ago

'"Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." (Trump called the things written about him in the book "probably true.")' http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest-things-donald-trump-has-said-20150616?page=2 http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/8-of-the-sleaziest... Also Trump was the President of the Trump organization when the DOJ fined the company for illegal housing discrimination, doing things like marking the lease applications of African Americans with a 'C' for 'Colored' so that they would know not to rent to them.

MichaelGG 10y ago
That sounds more pro-Jewish than anti-black.
- deleted 10y ago
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- bcg1 10y ago
  You might want to look into whether or not your understanding of the concept of racism comports with its actual definition.
- morgante 10y ago
  > The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. This is not a pro-Jewish statement. It's a textbook anti-semite stereotype.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    How is it anti? It's a positive stereotype.
    - morgante 10y ago
      I'm done here. If you really cannot understand how stereotyping an entire ethnicity as short money-counters is offensive, you are far beyond help. I should have figured that from the start. It depresses me that such retrograde, Nazi-level antisemitism is tolerated on Hacker News. As a Jew, I am offended. And I'm the group who that statement is supposed to "flatter." Think of the Black accountants who Trump apparently thinks are incompetent purely due to the color of their skin. This shit belongs in the 1940s, not 2016.
      - bcg1 10y ago
        Most people can see exactly who these people are, so leaving their comments up provides everyone with a persistent proof of their character.
        MichaelGG 10y ago
        The person that said the quote about which financial people he wants has Jewish grandkids. I hardly think that is "Nazi level" and I don't mind having my comment up.
  - patrickg_zill 10y ago
    Technically it is a reference only to Orthodox Jews, who wear their yarmulkes to work. Secular (non-religious or atheist or whatever) and Reform (not sure about Conservative, but I think they don't wear yarmulkes to work) Jews wouldn't be included. I know both Jews who would laugh and those who would be offended by it.

minikites 10y ago

You don't think his rhetoric against undocumented immigrants is racist?

Zpalmtree 10y ago
Last time I checked "undocumented" immigrants aren't a race, and they also broke the law. It's not racist to attack people breaking the law.
- yolesaber 10y ago
  >“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” It's pretty racist to attack a whole contingent of people and make broad negative generalizations about them and qualify with a half-hearted caveat that 'some' are good people. He's quite clearly drawing a line between "you" (the white audience he was speaking to) and the Other (i.e. the Mexicans) personified as rapists and drug dealers.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    Sounded like it was clearly "you" as legal Mexicans and other immigrants. The rest of the sentence is about illegals -- he's not, afaik, made any claims about Mexicans in general. If he was actually making a racist statement, then immigration status wouldn't matter.
    - yolesaber 10y ago
      "You" clearly haven't even read or seen the speech and are talking completely out of your ass. It was one of his opening talking points in his presidential announcement in New York City to his cronies - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/16/full-text-donald-trump-announces-a-presidential-bid/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06... It's pretty straightforward xenophobic, hyper jingoist nationalist rhetoric. You = us good Americans. They = the Other. He uses the car industry for Japan, a conservative talking point since the 80s. For Mexico he harps on immigration and calls them rapists. It's aggregate and subjectivity-denying. It's racist and dumb.

slantedview 10y ago

Quotes here: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/donald_trump_is_unfit_to_be_president_here_are_141_reasons_why.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/...

MichaelGG 10y ago
I don't see quotes on that page, just a few opening paragraphs and "Loading..." where I'd expect content to be. The opening paragraph is has a misquote/misstatement of its own so I'm a bit suspicious. The linked articles from the opening are also all-headline, little substance. I don't mean this as a defence of Trump, but people seem to read into statements to determine his racism/bigotry/whatever. AFAIK he has not technically made a racist statement in any of his campaigning, for instance.