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> Citation needed if you're > going to "correct the record." This is not Reddit, and it is not a place for accusing people of being paid shills. Please des

> Citation needed if you're > going to "correct the record." This is not Reddit, and it is not a place for accusing people of being paid shills. Please desist.

Tinyyy 10y ago
Why is this getting down voted? There's no place for these accusations on HN. Using them to silence discussions is very arrogant because you're implying that people disagreeing with you are not capable of independent thought.
- throwaway2016b 10y ago
  Is it? HN has a history of patently obvious shills and downvote brigades policing various topics. Paul Graham and Sam Altman are publicly supporting and creating various PACs with the aim of swinging the election in favor of Hillary, to say nothing of what their hyperbolic language reveals about their loyalties. Is it really so hard to believe that there could be paid political shills operating on here? CTR pays people to spam 4chan ffs, I think they can spare a few people for a tiny site with disproportionate influence like HN.
  - saboot 10y ago
    > Is it really so hard to believe that there could be paid political shills operating on here? Yes > CTR pays people to spam 4chan [Citation Needed]
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mkopinsky 10y ago
Where did he accuse anyone of that? All he asked for is a citation.
- Tinyyy 10y ago
  http://correctrecord.org/about/ http://correctrecord.org/about/ >Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks.
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- imron 10y ago
  Just in case you are genuinely asking, "Correct the Record" is a PAC that pays people to promote Hillary Clinton in a positive light online and also discount any negative online publicity she gets. By saying that the GP was trying to "correct the record", he's implying that the GGP is a paid shill for Hillary.
- comex 10y ago
  Their comment is referencing Correct The Record, a pro-Clinton PAC which, according to a popular but false Reddit rumor, employs commenters to anonymously spread propaganda. See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4xcwjb/what_is_correct_the_recordctr_rpolitics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4xcwjb/what_i... Edit: At the time of this edit, three replies have asked for a citation on "false", so I may as well put it here. Barrier Breakers 2016, the subject of the original The Daily Beast article that spread the rumor [1], is a real project that spreads messaging (call if propaganda if you want) supporting Clinton. But that messaging is not anonymous or covert. Here are some of their social media accounts: Twitter: https://twitter.com/nobarriers2016 https://twitter.com/nobarriers2016 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/ https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLy17PDQw_WSNoytoDX-HA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLy17PDQw_WSNoytoDX-HA Other CTR Twitter accounts (not 'Barrier Breakers'): https://twitter.com/CorrectRecord https://twitter.com/CorrectRecord https://twitter.com/CTR_DZ https://twitter.com/CTR_DZ They post a lot of stuff - the @nobarriers2016 Twitter account has three posts in the last hour. But the accounts are clearly marked as a project of Correct the Record, and the glossy images they share are not even remotely pretending to be grassroots. According to their spokesperson, they do not have an additional covert operation: > “Barrier Breakers accounts are always identified as Correct the Record,” spokesperson Elizabeth Shappell said. - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-the-record-online-trolls/484847/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-... That article is a good read in general and explains what they mean by "pushing back": > In an exchange on May 24, a Twitter user with a bio that reads “Conservative Republican. Trump SUPPORTER. Fox news viewer,” wrote: “Whenever CROOKED HILLARY gets a tough question she either bursts into that blood curdling laughing cackle or starts barking like a dog. #LIAR.” Correct the Record responded with #ImWithHer and a graphic of Clinton with text reading: “She’s the most vetted person on earth. And standing STRONGER than ever.” (You can find the tweet in question by searching - the response was from the @CTR_DZ account.) Personally, I consider this approach fairly lame, in line with the brand social media accounts that sometimes show up in my Twitter replies when I complain about the brand. If I got a message from them, I doubt I would feel especially encouraged or interested in resharing their images. But that's a far cry from being immoral, which I think employing anonymous commenters to skew the public debate would be. Of course, I can't present absolute proof that they are telling the truth about not having an additional covert operation. But there is no evidence whatsoever that they do have one, only baseless speculation about "paid shills", of the sort that's been around forever (I remember when I used to read Slashdot, closer to its prime, and it was Microsoft that supposedly employed an army of them there), combined with a distorted understanding of a real project. [1] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac...
monochromatic 10y ago
Well... not exactly an accusation, but I will admit it was a reference that was uncalled for. I have no reason to question the motives of that commenter.
dgnnmdhn 10y ago
Occam's razor doesn't apply when the involved party has made malicious intent explicitly clear. Her own campaign has made it quite clear that they're doing this.
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dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12536062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12536062 and marked it off-topic.

> Citation needed if you're > going to "correct the record." This is not Reddit, and it is not a place for accusing people of being paid shills. Please desist.

Tinyyy 10y ago

Why is this getting down voted? There's no place for these accusations on HN. Using them to silence discussions is very arrogant because you're implying that people disagreeing with you are not capable of independent thought.

throwaway2016b 10y ago
Is it? HN has a history of patently obvious shills and downvote brigades policing various topics. Paul Graham and Sam Altman are publicly supporting and creating various PACs with the aim of swinging the election in favor of Hillary, to say nothing of what their hyperbolic language reveals about their loyalties. Is it really so hard to believe that there could be paid political shills operating on here? CTR pays people to spam 4chan ffs, I think they can spare a few people for a tiny site with disproportionate influence like HN.
- saboot 10y ago
  > Is it really so hard to believe that there could be paid political shills operating on here? Yes > CTR pays people to spam 4chan [Citation Needed]

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mkopinsky 10y ago

Where did he accuse anyone of that? All he asked for is a citation.

Tinyyy 10y ago
http://correctrecord.org/about/ http://correctrecord.org/about/ >Correct The Record is a strategic research and rapid response team designed to defend Hillary Clinton from baseless attacks.
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imron 10y ago
Just in case you are genuinely asking, "Correct the Record" is a PAC that pays people to promote Hillary Clinton in a positive light online and also discount any negative online publicity she gets. By saying that the GP was trying to "correct the record", he's implying that the GGP is a paid shill for Hillary.
comex 10y ago
Their comment is referencing Correct The Record, a pro-Clinton PAC which, according to a popular but false Reddit rumor, employs commenters to anonymously spread propaganda. See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4xcwjb/what_is_correct_the_recordctr_rpolitics/ https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/4xcwjb/what_i... Edit: At the time of this edit, three replies have asked for a citation on "false", so I may as well put it here. Barrier Breakers 2016, the subject of the original The Daily Beast article that spread the rumor [1], is a real project that spreads messaging (call if propaganda if you want) supporting Clinton. But that messaging is not anonymous or covert. Here are some of their social media accounts: Twitter: https://twitter.com/nobarriers2016 https://twitter.com/nobarriers2016 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/ https://www.facebook.com/BarrierBreakers2016/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLy17PDQw_WSNoytoDX-HA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMLy17PDQw_WSNoytoDX-HA Other CTR Twitter accounts (not 'Barrier Breakers'): https://twitter.com/CorrectRecord https://twitter.com/CorrectRecord https://twitter.com/CTR_DZ https://twitter.com/CTR_DZ They post a lot of stuff - the @nobarriers2016 Twitter account has three posts in the last hour. But the accounts are clearly marked as a project of Correct the Record, and the glossy images they share are not even remotely pretending to be grassroots. According to their spokesperson, they do not have an additional covert operation: > “Barrier Breakers accounts are always identified as Correct the Record,” spokesperson Elizabeth Shappell said. - http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-the-record-online-trolls/484847/ http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/correct-... That article is a good read in general and explains what they mean by "pushing back": > In an exchange on May 24, a Twitter user with a bio that reads “Conservative Republican. Trump SUPPORTER. Fox news viewer,” wrote: “Whenever CROOKED HILLARY gets a tough question she either bursts into that blood curdling laughing cackle or starts barking like a dog. #LIAR.” Correct the Record responded with #ImWithHer and a graphic of Clinton with text reading: “She’s the most vetted person on earth. And standing STRONGER than ever.” (You can find the tweet in question by searching - the response was from the @CTR_DZ account.) Personally, I consider this approach fairly lame, in line with the brand social media accounts that sometimes show up in my Twitter replies when I complain about the brand. If I got a message from them, I doubt I would feel especially encouraged or interested in resharing their images. But that's a far cry from being immoral, which I think employing anonymous commenters to skew the public debate would be. Of course, I can't present absolute proof that they are telling the truth about not having an additional covert operation. But there is no evidence whatsoever that they do have one, only baseless speculation about "paid shills", of the sort that's been around forever (I remember when I used to read Slashdot, closer to its prime, and it was Microsoft that supposedly employed an army of them there), combined with a distorted understanding of a real project. [1] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac-spends-1-million-to-correct-commenters-on-reddit-and-facebook.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/21/hillary-pac...

monochromatic 10y ago

Well... not exactly an accusation, but I will admit it was a reference that was uncalled for. I have no reason to question the motives of that commenter.

dgnnmdhn 10y ago

Occam's razor doesn't apply when the involved party has made malicious intent explicitly clear. Her own campaign has made it quite clear that they're doing this.

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dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12536062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12536062 and marked it off-topic.