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I have never heard of African Americans emptying a house while the elderly occupants are still in, tearing apart the pipes to re-sell for tin, throwing the occu

by bertil 10y ago

I have never heard of African Americans emptying a house while the elderly occupants are still in, tearing apart the pipes to re-sell for tin, throwing the occupants down the stairs to die in agony, with a broken hip, for hours, all that for 50c worth of copper. If it happened, I have never heard Jessy Jackson explain on national TV that this is perfectly normal and that property is a cultural thing and that that kind of “cultural misunderstanding” is entirely the fault of Police brutality and forced education. I have never heard of African American claims that at 6’2” tall guy with visible muscle lines, a full beard and a deep voice is 12 y.-o., has not document to prove it, and therefore cannot be charged with grand larceny and barbaric violence, even if he was caught in the act and the whole thing is on tape. I have never heard Rev. Jesse Jackson explain that forcing the public rape of an 11 y.o. by her 13 y.-o. cousin is also a cultural thing. When a African American drug lord is arrested, his gang might challenge the authorities and defend him, but the vast majority of his victims, generally also African American, rejoice -- they do not spit racist slurs. Some, very few, African American can, on occasion us racially charge epithet. They do not casually say that the live of a Gadjo is not worth the clothes he’s wearing and you’d be happy to help yourself if he were your size. To his face. African American don’t see White Americans as cattle to prey upon. The contempt some, most Roma have for Gadjo, is reminiscent of WWII rhetoric. Europe has changed since; not sure Roma culture has. If it has, the groups that are far more visible to Gadjos in Europe didn’t get the memo.

openasocket 10y ago
> The contempt some, most Roma have for Gadjo, is reminiscent of WWII rhetoric ... did you not see the irony in this statement when you wrote it? Are you aware that the Roma people were targeted during the Holocaust? And that more than 25% of the Roma population was killed?
- bertil 10y ago
  Yes. That’s what makes it sickening. You probably want to read my other comments on the same thread.
fennecfoxen 10y ago
> I have never heard of African Americans emptying a house while the elderly occupants are still in, tearing apart the pipes to re-sell for tin, throwing the occupants down the stairs to die in agony, with a broken hip, for hours, all that for 50c worth of copper. Copper theft is a big thing in the US: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100917758 http://www.cnbc.com/id/100917758 - I'm sure there's someone in the US who did something close enough and we could find a sensationalised headline if we did enough research. You probably just have that one case embedded in your brain because it matches a preexisting narrative, a trivially common form of cognitive bias. > I have never heard Rev. Jesse Jackson explain that forcing the public rape of an 11 y.o. by her 13 y.-o. cousin is also a cultural thing. It's true, Jackson is more about defending people shooting the police with cries of "black lives matter!" while gang shootings continue to take about 13 black lives a day (and there's a lot more tragedies like Tyshawn Lee's than Laquan McDonald's out there.) If that's not practically an endorsement of having different values for what goes on inside the borders of a different culture, I'm not quite sure what is. And even if not, that's one man's specific political views versus an unsourced assertion and it fails to satisfy. > When a African American drug lord is arrested, his gang might challenge the authorities and defend him, but the vast majority of his victims, generally also African American, rejoice -- they do not spit racist slurs. Well, the police force is multiracial in a lot of cities, so racist slurs aren't always appropriate. There are plenty of places they'd just cry "Fuck the police!" etc. Inclusion on the police force may be a key difference, actually, though it's hard to be itinerant and hold that kind of a position at once. > African American don’t see White Americans as cattle to prey upon. Guarantee you there are some thugs out there who do. I wouldn't generalise, but I'm not yet confident that you should generalise either.
- bertil 10y ago
  I have to be honest: I am not as familiar with the US as most people on Hacker News. > that's one man's specific political views versus an unsourced assertion and it fails to satisfy. I’m not trying to tell anymore. I have asked to journalist friends why they do not write on the topic, and none gave a reasonable answer. I can assure you that my experiences are mirrored by people who were confronted to bad situations; people who weren’t just find it incredible and dismiss them. > I wouldn't generalise, but I'm not yet confident that you should generalise either. I don’t want to. I would like to see the ties between the violent thieves that I was confronted to and the glorious culture that I heard so much about. Internal tensions in the community are probably fascinating… but it’s completely undocumented. Once again: I answered questions about why Europeans have such a violent reaction to Gypsies. There are countless incredibly shocking anecdotes of open racism against gadjos. I know my stories are true. If you want to finance journalists to look into it in more details, be my guest. I have tried, and I really hated the response I got from Roma officials.

by bertil 10y ago

openasocket 10y ago

> The contempt some, most Roma have for Gadjo, is reminiscent of WWII rhetoric ... did you not see the irony in this statement when you wrote it? Are you aware that the Roma people were targeted during the Holocaust? And that more than 25% of the Roma population was killed?

bertil 10y ago
Yes. That’s what makes it sickening. You probably want to read my other comments on the same thread.

fennecfoxen 10y ago

> I have never heard of African Americans emptying a house while the elderly occupants are still in, tearing apart the pipes to re-sell for tin, throwing the occupants down the stairs to die in agony, with a broken hip, for hours, all that for 50c worth of copper. Copper theft is a big thing in the US: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100917758 http://www.cnbc.com/id/100917758 - I'm sure there's someone in the US who did something close enough and we could find a sensationalised headline if we did enough research. You probably just have that one case embedded in your brain because it matches a preexisting narrative, a trivially common form of cognitive bias. > I have never heard Rev. Jesse Jackson explain that forcing the public rape of an 11 y.o. by her 13 y.-o. cousin is also a cultural thing. It's true, Jackson is more about defending people shooting the police with cries of "black lives matter!" while gang shootings continue to take about 13 black lives a day (and there's a lot more tragedies like Tyshawn Lee's than Laquan McDonald's out there.) If that's not practically an endorsement of having different values for what goes on inside the borders of a different culture, I'm not quite sure what is. And even if not, that's one man's specific political views versus an unsourced assertion and it fails to satisfy. > When a African American drug lord is arrested, his gang might challenge the authorities and defend him, but the vast majority of his victims, generally also African American, rejoice -- they do not spit racist slurs. Well, the police force is multiracial in a lot of cities, so racist slurs aren't always appropriate. There are plenty of places they'd just cry "Fuck the police!" etc. Inclusion on the police force may be a key difference, actually, though it's hard to be itinerant and hold that kind of a position at once. > African American don’t see White Americans as cattle to prey upon. Guarantee you there are some thugs out there who do. I wouldn't generalise, but I'm not yet confident that you should generalise either.

bertil 10y ago
I have to be honest: I am not as familiar with the US as most people on Hacker News. > that's one man's specific political views versus an unsourced assertion and it fails to satisfy. I’m not trying to tell anymore. I have asked to journalist friends why they do not write on the topic, and none gave a reasonable answer. I can assure you that my experiences are mirrored by people who were confronted to bad situations; people who weren’t just find it incredible and dismiss them. > I wouldn't generalise, but I'm not yet confident that you should generalise either. I don’t want to. I would like to see the ties between the violent thieves that I was confronted to and the glorious culture that I heard so much about. Internal tensions in the community are probably fascinating… but it’s completely undocumented. Once again: I answered questions about why Europeans have such a violent reaction to Gypsies. There are countless incredibly shocking anecdotes of open racism against gadjos. I know my stories are true. If you want to finance journalists to look into it in more details, be my guest. I have tried, and I really hated the response I got from Roma officials.