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I was just reading a blog post where a guy had written about Steve Reich and Brian Eno's experiments and his attempts at replicating them. It was posted on HN a

I was just reading a blog post where a guy had written about Steve Reich and Brian Eno's experiments and his attempts at replicating them. It was posted on HN a few days ago: http://teropa.info/blog/2016/07/28/javascript-systems-music.html http://teropa.info/blog/2016/07/28/javascript-systems-music.... There are embedded YouTube videos, MP3s, and code samples to illustrate what he's writing about. He's implemented their ideas using the Web Audio API and you can run the code from within the page and listen to the music being generated in real-time. It's a real testament to how great the web can be. I think being able to do things like that is worth all the annoying parts of the modern web, in the end. For the developer and the end user. I wouldn't want to go back to the old way. I think it's easy to focus on the annoying parts and take the good parts for granted.

flukus 10y ago
> It's a real testament to how great the web can be Doing something in a browser that we could do 30 years ago on a desktop isn't that great a testament.
- barryhoodlum 10y ago
  But you're clicking on a link, not downloading and installing an application.
  - flukus 10y ago
    You are downloading an application, arguably installing one temporarily too. Is this that much more efficient than "apt-get install foo"?
    - ecnahc515 10y ago
      Yes, because it means all my users can install the same application and I only have to write it once for all platforms. Not every platform/OS even has a (good) package manager. So I think this alone is what makes the web great.
      - chiefalchemist 10y ago
        True. But users don't care. Not only that, such ease had only created more noise and less expertise. Piss all you want about MS and Apple back in the day but they understood quality control. Today? Ha. We just have lower expectations. We accept shite because we have no other choice. Furthermore, free isn't free when my privacy is sold and/or my eye balls are subjected to even more ads. This is progress? No fucking way.
        sangnoir 10y ago
        > Piss all you want about MS and Apple back in the day but they understood quality control I don't know what you are on about as there weren't any app stores controlled by Apple or MS. Anyone was able to release crap software on floppy disks or BBS, and they did.
      - flukus 10y ago
        Which platforms don't have good package management? Linux has, if anything, too many. Windows has chocolatey. Apple has homebrew. Writing portable applications can be done in a variety of ways and packaged for each platform.
        ajbetteridge 10y ago
        Windows might have chocolatey, one among a small number package managers for Windows (including the bleh Windows 10 Store), but not being baked into the OS distribution means the average user isn't going to install it. Users want what's already in the Start menu/page, not something they have to go to a site, copy some (as far as they know) random text, paste it into a power shell, and then hope it works. You effectively need a package manager to install the package manager. That might be ok for your power users, but the average person what wants to install GIMP because he's been told by his mate down the pub that it's "like a free Photoshop", would rather go to the GIMP site and download it, he won't even know about chocolatey because he's so used to using Windows without a package manager that he'll just Google "GIMP" and hope the fist link is the right one. Windows missed the boat on package managers and the Windows 10 Store definitely does not make it any easier.

flukus 10y ago

> It's a real testament to how great the web can be Doing something in a browser that we could do 30 years ago on a desktop isn't that great a testament.

barryhoodlum 10y ago
But you're clicking on a link, not downloading and installing an application.
- flukus 10y ago
  You are downloading an application, arguably installing one temporarily too. Is this that much more efficient than "apt-get install foo"?
  - ecnahc515 10y ago
    Yes, because it means all my users can install the same application and I only have to write it once for all platforms. Not every platform/OS even has a (good) package manager. So I think this alone is what makes the web great.
    - chiefalchemist 10y ago
      True. But users don't care. Not only that, such ease had only created more noise and less expertise. Piss all you want about MS and Apple back in the day but they understood quality control. Today? Ha. We just have lower expectations. We accept shite because we have no other choice. Furthermore, free isn't free when my privacy is sold and/or my eye balls are subjected to even more ads. This is progress? No fucking way.
      - sangnoir 10y ago
        > Piss all you want about MS and Apple back in the day but they understood quality control I don't know what you are on about as there weren't any app stores controlled by Apple or MS. Anyone was able to release crap software on floppy disks or BBS, and they did.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Which platforms don't have good package management? Linux has, if anything, too many. Windows has chocolatey. Apple has homebrew. Writing portable applications can be done in a variety of ways and packaged for each platform.
      - ajbetteridge 10y ago
        Windows might have chocolatey, one among a small number package managers for Windows (including the bleh Windows 10 Store), but not being baked into the OS distribution means the average user isn't going to install it. Users want what's already in the Start menu/page, not something they have to go to a site, copy some (as far as they know) random text, paste it into a power shell, and then hope it works. You effectively need a package manager to install the package manager. That might be ok for your power users, but the average person what wants to install GIMP because he's been told by his mate down the pub that it's "like a free Photoshop", would rather go to the GIMP site and download it, he won't even know about chocolatey because he's so used to using Windows without a package manager that he'll just Google "GIMP" and hope the fist link is the right one. Windows missed the boat on package managers and the Windows 10 Store definitely does not make it any easier.