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> There's a reason that so many Jews got the hell out of France in the last few years. Do tell us that reason.
by welanes 10y ago
> There's a reason that so many Jews got the hell out of France in the last few years.
Do tell us that reason.
- SolaceQuantum 10y agoFrance has had a rising antisemetic sentiment along with the defacing of Jewish cultural sites, along with a sharp increas (think double) over the last year or two of hate crime against Jews. http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/18/france-might-not-have-any-jews-in-the-future-and-h/ http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/18/france-might-n...
- guard-of-terra 10y agoWhat do you think, what specific demographic group in france is most visible in antisemitic sentiment, defacing of Jewish cultural sites and hate crime against Jews?
- Mao_Zedang 10y agoAs a Jew myself the majority of modern antisemitism I see is from Muslims.
- sliverstorm 10y agoCurious, do you see that as truly antisemitism, or anti-non-muslim-ism? I frequently see misanthropy or xenophobia masquerading behind specific racist/sexist/theist/etc slurs.
- dogma1138 10y agoWhen they chant passages from the Quran which are specifically about the end of days and the slaughter of Jews and chant the names of "famous" battles where entire Jewish communities were slaughtered yeah you can say its specific.
- sliverstorm 10y agoThere are no general-purpose slurs that I know of, so xenophobes/misanthropists do use plenty specific hate speech. Like, an American xenophobe hates all foreigners. But he is going to call a German by a slur against Germans, and maybe mock sauerkraut and make snide remarks about WWII. A Frenchman, he'll use French slurs and insult France. He doesn't just call them "dirty foreigners" and mock their foreign-ness. You could be right, I'm just curious if it runs deeper than what we see on the surface. ISIL, for example- hates Jews, Christians, Yezidi, Shias, liberal Sunnis, Mexicans, reporters, women, America, Europe, Israel... so rather than "antisemites" I'd describe them as jingoist/xenophobic/etc
- dogma1138 10y agoConsiderably, sadly most westerners don't understand nor they want too. Those are about as subtle as the "from the river to the sea" chants you see at anti Israel protests and the nice caricatures of trees and rocks with Arabic text bubbles that lovely children hold up as signs. Liberals think it's cute, you explain to them what it means they are phased for about 30 seconds and go back to chant.
- Mao_Zedang 10y agoNo true antisemite?
- SolaceQuantum 10y agoI don't know? I'm just giving a reason why the Jews are getting the hell out of France as requested. If you want to conjecture about what demographic might be doing said antisemetic acts, I would love to see sources because I genuinely don't know! (I'm not French nor have I researched this topic extensively so I would be more than happy to receive education on the full context of antisemetism in France)
- qohen 10y agoThis is what the Prime Minister of France, Manuel Valls, thinks about that demographic (in "Is it Time for the Jews to Leave Europe", a 2015 article in The Atlantic [0] by Jeffrey Goldberg): Valls is deliberate and—unusual for a French politician of the left—blunt in identifying the main culprits in the proliferation of anti-Jewish violence and harassment: Islamist ideologues whose anti-Semitic and anti-Western calumnies have penetrated the banlieues. Again, he's the Prime Minister -- and on the left to boot -- so, one would imagine him to be credible on this issue. But while this demographic is the most visible, there are other ingredients in the stew -- the paragraph cited above continues with Valls' thoughts on this: But he goes further: France’s “new anti-Semitism” is also the product of what he understands to be a malicious sleight of hand on the part of Israel’s enemies to repackage anti-Semitism as anti-Zionism. “It is legitimate to criticize the policies of Israel,” Valls said. “This criticism exists in Israel itself. But this is not what we are talking about in France. This is radical criticism of the very existence of Israel, which is anti-Semitic. There is an incontestable link between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism. Behind anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism.” Frequently, Valls said, anti-Zionists let the mask slip. It is impossible, he said, to ascribe the attacks on synagogues—at least eight were targeted in France last summer—to anger over Israel’s Gaza policy. [0] http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/ http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/is-it-ti...
- sorenjan 10y agoI can't speak for France, but in Sweden the vast majority of antisemitism comes from muslim immigrants. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=https%3A//samtiden.nu/15599/ta-unga-invandrares-antisemitism-pa-allvar/&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=https%3A//samtiden.n... http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.expressen.se/kultur/toppnyheter-/nalin-pekgul-hatet-mot-judar-gror-i-tensta/&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.express...
- M_Grey 10y agoVast majority of antisemitism, or vast majority of antisemitic crimes? Not to put too fine a point on it, but Jewish people are not exactly unaware of how the vast majority of the Islamic world views us, talks about us, and would very much like to treat us. We're also not likely to think that just because they're the loudest, they're somehow the only ones either. It's a bit like the trouble Americans seem to be having with racism, in that a whole generation of kids was taught that racism looks like the KKK or Jim Crow Laws. Far more prevalent and insidious though, has always been the deeply held belief that people know you only talk about among 'like minded' individuals. That way of thinking is much older than the KKK; it gave rise to the KKK. You can kick down an organization, but you can't do the same to a mode of thinking. You can only outlive it.
- kpil 10y agoBoth? Antisemitism in Sweden is almost exclusively found among the Muslim immigrants. Politically the left is a bit blindsided in the Israelic-Palestinian conflict, but that is another issue, as is the strongly secular society's discomfort with all deeply religious groups, including (very) orthodox Jews.
- M_Grey 10y agoSentiment is hard to quantify, and not necessarily signaled by anything as obvious as defacement of a cultural site or hate crimes. The latter is often the province of the angry, young, and poor. The former is for everyone around the dinner table, over drinks, and isn't so obvious. Of course it's better to blame a cultural predilection on some foreign group, right?
- Yetanfou 10y agoThe same reason why many Jews have left Malmö in Sweden [1] by now: the rise of anti-Semitism which goes hand in hand with the rise of Islam as a power factor in these places. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Sweden#Situation_in_Malm.C3.B6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Sweden#Situati...