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> "Certainly it's going to see more adoption, including by KDE. But at the moment, its support in the desktop world is pretty much limited to Gnome and, uh, tha
by ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "Certainly it's going to see more adoption, including by KDE. But at the moment, its support in the desktop world is pretty much limited to Gnome and, uh, that i3-like compositor, I forgot its name."
I'm not sure which i3-like compositor has Wayland support, but I believe Enlightenment supports Wayland.
> "But one of the things that intrigues me is that somehow people would have you think that the open source community -- historically, one of the most security-conscious -- has managed to turn a blind eye to this elephant in the room, a frickin' walking keylogger, throughout the troubled 1990s and 2000s. You think we just somehow missed this disaster waiting to happen, and it took us 20 years to come with a contingency plan?"
A lot of Linux servers run without X installed, you don't need GUIs to administer a Linux server. Seeing as Linux first found major popularity as a server OS, the security risks of X weren't quite as major as they may seem.
Also, whilst X has its issues, there were more fundamental issues that took precedence in the earlier years of Linux. I remember when I started playing with Linux in the early 2000s one of the main issues was drivers. If you've ever had the pleasure of trying to get Windows WiFi drivers working with ndiswrapper, you'll know what I mean.
Lastly, it does appear that there were proposals to improve/replace X11 over the years, but proposals are easy. I'd say the growth of Wayland was a mix of the right people at the right time. We're still waiting on something similar to emerge for the audio stack (though I'm hoping the work to improve the VR experience will be the catalyst that helps to drive this forward).
- johnny22 10y agosway is the i3-like: https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway https://github.com/SirCmpwn/sway
- notalaser 10y ago> Seeing as Linux first found major popularity as a server OS, the security risks of X weren't quite as major as they may seem. X11 was, if not the most common, at least one of the most common workstation interface throughout the 1990s, when Linux, even on servers, was not as major a player as it is today, and most high-grade workstations ran a Unix variant. There were exceptions (some systems ran NeWS) but, by and large, if you did any important (so usually confidential) work back then, it was quite likely you would do it on something running X11. The risk was as major as it is today.