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How about acidification of the oceans? How about greenhouse gases in the atmosphere?

kaybe 10y ago
It's a different issue. Acidification of the oceans happens mainly due to dissolved CO2 [0], while the acid in the atmosphere is mainly due to SO2 and NOx. Greenhouse gases were not discussed in the article and were not part of that study, but as you may know, they're still going up. [1][2][3] (Oh yay, the sum of CFCs is actually going down.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification [1] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ (This page is so scary.) [2] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/ [3] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi.fig2.png http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi.fig2.png // http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/aggi.html http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/aggi.html
allendoerfer 10y ago
> How about acidification of the oceans? Reduce waste, stop ships from ocean dumping. Start with the West and then bully the rest to follow. The US/EU can control who can access their market. "Sorry, you can only land here, if you can prove that you did not dump your waste." > How about greenhouse gases in the atmosphere? I think economics will solve this one. To me waste and planned obsolescence seems like the much bigger problem. Green energy is just "more new stuff", we are good at that. Edit: Another answer to your comment just made me realize, I had a different kind of acidification in mind and missed the point.
- rosege 10y ago
  Sounds like you are talking about what Sweden announced today: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/waste-not-want-not-sweden-tax-breaks-repairs https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/waste-not-want...
mzw_mzw 10y ago
Remember, guys, there's no good news and everyone is doomed.

kaybe 10y ago

It's a different issue. Acidification of the oceans happens mainly due to dissolved CO2 [0], while the acid in the atmosphere is mainly due to SO2 and NOx. Greenhouse gases were not discussed in the article and were not part of that study, but as you may know, they're still going up. [1][2][3] (Oh yay, the sum of CFCs is actually going down.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification [1] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ (This page is so scary.) [2] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/ http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends_ch4/ [3] http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi.fig2.png http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/aggi/aggi.fig2.png // http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/aggi.html http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/aggi.html

allendoerfer 10y ago

> How about acidification of the oceans? Reduce waste, stop ships from ocean dumping. Start with the West and then bully the rest to follow. The US/EU can control who can access their market. "Sorry, you can only land here, if you can prove that you did not dump your waste." > How about greenhouse gases in the atmosphere? I think economics will solve this one. To me waste and planned obsolescence seems like the much bigger problem. Green energy is just "more new stuff", we are good at that. Edit: Another answer to your comment just made me realize, I had a different kind of acidification in mind and missed the point.

rosege 10y ago
Sounds like you are talking about what Sweden announced today: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/waste-not-want-not-sweden-tax-breaks-repairs https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/waste-not-want...

mzw_mzw 10y ago

Remember, guys, there's no good news and everyone is doomed.