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That is exactly what I was thinking. Oracle can do pretty decent stuff with tech as far as I have seen, but their actual direction and choices seems to embody t

by pfooti 10y ago

That is exactly what I was thinking. Oracle can do pretty decent stuff with tech as far as I have seen, but their actual direction and choices seems to embody the crassly-disgusting money squeeze corporation so much that I really don't want to do business with them. I mean, they put crapware in the consumer JRE installer. How many dollars did they get for that, versus how much negative feeling from that alone? This seems like a corporation who owns their terrible reputation, and says, "who cares? we're still rich."

saiya-jin 10y ago
there is no attempt to disguise anything - Oracle is your typical stock evil corp, full package. they are pretty damn consistent about it too. they have couple of decent products that they evolve as little as necessary to maintain position, but everything else about them is a big no-no.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  If it could get into all the industries, Oracle would literally be Mr. Robot's ECorp.
  - ghurtado 10y ago
    Or, you know, Cyberdyne Systems - the creators of SkyNet: http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-based-on-oracle-2015-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-...
    - rbanffy 10y ago
      If Oracle builds Skynet, taking it down will require nothing more than a poorly coded subquery and a wrong join.
      - eropple 10y ago
        Please. The subquery is optional.
        rbanffy 10y ago
        But it'll make it spectacular.
    - bitwize 10y ago
      More like Omni Consumer Products, amirite?
aboralis 10y ago
Not to defend them but it was Sun not Oracle who started bundling crapware with the JRE installer.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  That actually is true. Many forget that Sun wasn't far behind Oracle in the size of its hatedom for a while. We're only nice to them now because 1) speak no ill of the dead, (2 ZFS, and other technical innovations 3) because HN is full of ex-Sun employees, and 4) because we also have the odd Solaris fanboy or two, and speaking ill of Solaris or Sun is likely to get you into a holy war second only to the one you'd get for decrying the Lispm.
  - bcantrill 10y ago
    Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Not bad, Bryan. And some interesting history, too. Don't get me wrong, Sun was a great company, but like all companies, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. You've said as much yourself before. I wished to point out that there was a time that Sun wasn't as beloved, and to indicate some of the reasons that we don't talk about some of Sun's less savory actions so much on HN. If, as an ex-Sun employee, you find this insulting (and the trace elements of sarcasm indicate that this may be so), than I will inform you that it certainly wasn't meant to be so, although I now see why it may come off that way. Thank you for responding to my ticket, and have a great day!
      - rbanffy 10y ago

by pfooti 10y ago

saiya-jin 10y ago

there is no attempt to disguise anything - Oracle is your typical stock evil corp, full package. they are pretty damn consistent about it too. they have couple of decent products that they evolve as little as necessary to maintain position, but everything else about them is a big no-no.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
If it could get into all the industries, Oracle would literally be Mr. Robot's ECorp.
- ghurtado 10y ago
  Or, you know, Cyberdyne Systems - the creators of SkyNet: http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-based-on-oracle-2015-7 http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-...
  - rbanffy 10y ago
    If Oracle builds Skynet, taking it down will require nothing more than a poorly coded subquery and a wrong join.
    - eropple 10y ago
      Please. The subquery is optional.
      - rbanffy 10y ago
        But it'll make it spectacular.
  - bitwize 10y ago
    More like Omni Consumer Products, amirite?

aboralis 10y ago

Not to defend them but it was Sun not Oracle who started bundling crapware with the JRE installer.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
That actually is true. Many forget that Sun wasn't far behind Oracle in the size of its hatedom for a while. We're only nice to them now because 1) speak no ill of the dead, (2 ZFS, and other technical innovations 3) because HN is full of ex-Sun employees, and 4) because we also have the odd Solaris fanboy or two, and speaking ill of Solaris or Sun is likely to get you into a holy war second only to the one you'd get for decrying the Lispm.
- bcantrill 10y ago
  Hi quertyuiop924, I just got the page about this Sev-2 Sun Microsystems comment on HN, and I am working this ticket. If you haven't already, please see our docs on Why Sun Microsystems Failed[1]. If I don't hear back from you, I will mark this ticket as closed. Thank you for only remembering Sun Microsystems with kindness, and have a great day! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2287033
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Not bad, Bryan. And some interesting history, too. Don't get me wrong, Sun was a great company, but like all companies, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. You've said as much yourself before. I wished to point out that there was a time that Sun wasn't as beloved, and to indicate some of the reasons that we don't talk about some of Sun's less savory actions so much on HN. If, as an ex-Sun employee, you find this insulting (and the trace elements of sarcasm indicate that this may be so), than I will inform you that it certainly wasn't meant to be so, although I now see why it may come off that way. Thank you for responding to my ticket, and have a great day!
    - rbanffy 10y ago