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Yesterday it was access to the filesystem, things that run in the background, etc. No, yesterday they did add the things that run in background. Flash compil

Yesterday it was access to the filesystem, things that run in the background, etc. No, yesterday they did add the things that run in background. Flash compiler being a fundamental technique in computer science? Please…

rimantas 17y ago
Ok, correction: yesterday they introduced iPhone OS 4 with background services. How Flash is fundamental in CS is still a mystery to me.
- reynolds 17y ago
  It's not necessarily Flash that's fundamental in computer science. It's compiler technology that's the computer science part.
  - rimantas 17y ago
    And apple is doing a lot in that field: Clang, LLVM, Grand Central Dispatch, OpenCL. Amazing how many fail to see the forest behind the tree. Apple releases iPad and that's the end of computers, Apple bans Flash, and suddenly it's shutting down CS.
    - krschultz 17y ago
      General Motors did some cool research projects with fuel cell cars, their core products are still gas guzzling trucks. When you say Apple which comes up in people's mind first, the iPhone, or Clang? Seriously.
      - rimantas 17y ago
        I don't know about GM, but I have clang on my OS X right now and I can tell Xcode to use it. When you say "compiler" which comes up in people's mind first? I'd bet it's "WTF?".
        krschultz 17y ago
        What come's up in developers mind first? If you say Apple, even developers are going to talk about the iPhone, iPad or Macbook Pro before they get to any of that stuff. If you say compilers and they somehow get to LLVM, how is it an Apple project? Because they hired some devs? That started years before Apple got involved. Is RoR an EngineYard project because some guys at EY worked on it? Is linux a google project because they hired some guys to work on it? And I highly doubt people are going to get all the way down to clang. If people mention Webkit, few forget it is a fork of KHTML first. If developers talk about the Mac OS X kernel they're going to at some point bring up BSD. Apple is for open development only when it benefits them. And they are bad partners in it. They write bad software in general for other platforms. We're not losing the forest because of the tree. It is a forest of trees that piss people off, and this just lit a match to the whole thing. If you found a couple flowers in there you like, it doesn't exonerate the forest. And frankly most of your examples are reasons to DISLIKE apple. Did you read Webkit's last release?
        rimantas 17y ago
        Where would be all these projects without Apple's involvement? Why should I care, who started what? In that case Adobe should be forever grateful to Jobs and Apple, because they helped them at the start, by suggesting business models and investing heavily while working on the project for LaserWriter and then creating the whole desktop publishing thing. Adobe's Illustrator has its root in the work on Postscript, which was initially developed for Apple's LaserWriter. Photoshop started as exclusively Mac product. Adobe's (originally Aldus') Pagemaker at the start also was developed with Postscript and Apple's Laserwriter in mind. By the same logic how is Flash a Adobe's product? Because they bought Macromedia? And I highly doubt people are going to get all the way down to clang. What do you mean? It's open source: http://clang.llvm.org/ http://clang.llvm.org/ They write bad software in general for other platforms. Just like Flash player performs wonders on OS X and Linux, and Photoshop for OS X has very consistent UI with native controls. Did you read Webkit's last release? What's about it?
- MichaelGG 17y ago
  You misread. The point is that compilers are fundamental to CS, and barring things like a Flash compiler is vile.
  - rimantas 17y ago
    Ok, compilers are fundamental to CS. Have you heard about Clang and LLVM? Do you know who is behind that project?
    - jrockway 17y ago
      Not Apple's iPhone team. Clang is some crazy engineers at Apple. Apple's new policies are straight from the top.
      - rimantas 17y ago
        The parent talked about Apple. So did I. By the way, what are your sources? You look so damn well informed about what's going on at Apple.
        krschultz 17y ago
        Have you read the damn article at all? Source to source compilers are now against the TOS. Sure you can do it and how would Apple know - but commercially you can't advertise a tool that does it. Forget what's going on INSIDE Apple, people are pissed off about what Apple is trying to do to those on the outside.
        rimantas 17y ago
        Pardon me? I was not commenting on the article, I was commenting on the comment which outrageously claims pure bullshit that: … Apple has been shutting off fundamental techniques in computer science since day one. And it does not name "iPhone team", it says Apple. What I say is that the work Apple is doing on LLVM, Clang, GCD, OpenCL, Webkit, etc. proves otherwise. I would gladly forget what's going on inside Apple, but first, I don't know, and second, this was addressed to some commenter talking like as if he knows (which he don't). So, thanks's for advice, but be advised to read the thread before commenting.

rimantas 17y ago

Ok, correction: yesterday they introduced iPhone OS 4 with background services. How Flash is fundamental in CS is still a mystery to me.

reynolds 17y ago
It's not necessarily Flash that's fundamental in computer science. It's compiler technology that's the computer science part.
- rimantas 17y ago
  And apple is doing a lot in that field: Clang, LLVM, Grand Central Dispatch, OpenCL. Amazing how many fail to see the forest behind the tree. Apple releases iPad and that's the end of computers, Apple bans Flash, and suddenly it's shutting down CS.
  - krschultz 17y ago
    General Motors did some cool research projects with fuel cell cars, their core products are still gas guzzling trucks. When you say Apple which comes up in people's mind first, the iPhone, or Clang? Seriously.
    - rimantas 17y ago
      I don't know about GM, but I have clang on my OS X right now and I can tell Xcode to use it. When you say "compiler" which comes up in people's mind first? I'd bet it's "WTF?".
      - krschultz 17y ago
        What come's up in developers mind first? If you say Apple, even developers are going to talk about the iPhone, iPad or Macbook Pro before they get to any of that stuff. If you say compilers and they somehow get to LLVM, how is it an Apple project? Because they hired some devs? That started years before Apple got involved. Is RoR an EngineYard project because some guys at EY worked on it? Is linux a google project because they hired some guys to work on it? And I highly doubt people are going to get all the way down to clang. If people mention Webkit, few forget it is a fork of KHTML first. If developers talk about the Mac OS X kernel they're going to at some point bring up BSD. Apple is for open development only when it benefits them. And they are bad partners in it. They write bad software in general for other platforms. We're not losing the forest because of the tree. It is a forest of trees that piss people off, and this just lit a match to the whole thing. If you found a couple flowers in there you like, it doesn't exonerate the forest. And frankly most of your examples are reasons to DISLIKE apple. Did you read Webkit's last release?
        rimantas 17y ago
        Where would be all these projects without Apple's involvement? Why should I care, who started what? In that case Adobe should be forever grateful to Jobs and Apple, because they helped them at the start, by suggesting business models and investing heavily while working on the project for LaserWriter and then creating the whole desktop publishing thing. Adobe's Illustrator has its root in the work on Postscript, which was initially developed for Apple's LaserWriter. Photoshop started as exclusively Mac product. Adobe's (originally Aldus') Pagemaker at the start also was developed with Postscript and Apple's Laserwriter in mind. By the same logic how is Flash a Adobe's product? Because they bought Macromedia? And I highly doubt people are going to get all the way down to clang. What do you mean? It's open source: http://clang.llvm.org/ http://clang.llvm.org/ They write bad software in general for other platforms. Just like Flash player performs wonders on OS X and Linux, and Photoshop for OS X has very consistent UI with native controls. Did you read Webkit's last release? What's about it?
MichaelGG 17y ago
You misread. The point is that compilers are fundamental to CS, and barring things like a Flash compiler is vile.
- rimantas 17y ago
  Ok, compilers are fundamental to CS. Have you heard about Clang and LLVM? Do you know who is behind that project?
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Not Apple's iPhone team. Clang is some crazy engineers at Apple. Apple's new policies are straight from the top.
    - rimantas 17y ago
      The parent talked about Apple. So did I. By the way, what are your sources? You look so damn well informed about what's going on at Apple.
      - krschultz 17y ago
        Have you read the damn article at all? Source to source compilers are now against the TOS. Sure you can do it and how would Apple know - but commercially you can't advertise a tool that does it. Forget what's going on INSIDE Apple, people are pissed off about what Apple is trying to do to those on the outside.
        rimantas 17y ago
        Pardon me? I was not commenting on the article, I was commenting on the comment which outrageously claims pure bullshit that: … Apple has been shutting off fundamental techniques in computer science since day one. And it does not name "iPhone team", it says Apple. What I say is that the work Apple is doing on LLVM, Clang, GCD, OpenCL, Webkit, etc. proves otherwise. I would gladly forget what's going on inside Apple, but first, I don't know, and second, this was addressed to some commenter talking like as if he knows (which he don't). So, thanks's for advice, but be advised to read the thread before commenting.