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I would not be surprised if the Oracle offerings turn out to be better than EC2 Oracle has been poaching the core EC2 team from Amazon for years now, in Seattl

I would not be surprised if the Oracle offerings turn out to be better than EC2 Oracle has been poaching the core EC2 team from Amazon for years now, in Seattle there are farewell parties every week for another person leaving EC2 to work at Oracle

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aboralis 10y ago
I would be. Good engineers can only make a good product if the management chain creates an environment for them to do it. Theres also a base level of hatred (lets not pretend its a loved company) oracle has to overcome to get people to use new products as well.
stephengillie 10y ago
Does this include network-layer personnel? Oracle is talking big about their compute, but it's useless without a robust and dynamic network infrastructure. Since storage fabrics are also networks today, a solid infrastructure is doubly-important, yet some data centers and MSPs seem to struggle with this core competency. * Since they seem to be targeting a hybrid approach, how flexible will they be at building and customizing network tunnels to multiple data centers and branch offices? * Will they allow you to host webservers there, or will you have to figure out how to network to another data center - and will it run Java, or can you get Apache or Docker? IIS with License Mobility? * What will they do about human error creating routing loops or erroneous BGP broadcasts, when they expand or perform maintenance? * How will they mitigate both external DDoS and compromised machine attacks from inside? Running a multi-data center MSP is no easy feat. It will be interesting to see what solutions are developed by Oracle's offering to the above problems.
- rabidrat 10y ago
  > Does this include network-layer personnel? Yes. I used to work at a major networking company in Seattle, and Oracle has recruited many good people from there, and is paying them nose-ruining salaries. I think their cloud may have many problems, but I doubt networking infrastructure will be one of them.
- simtel20 10y ago
  They are. They are hiring and paying more for the experience of aws and gce employees to kick start their progress.
edfxpy 10y ago
throwaway I'm surprised people still aren't aware of the massive talent transfer from AWS to Oracle. This is much larger than just compute. A constant stream of principles and SDE3s have been moving for well over a year. Most of the senior engineers on my team have moved with 60% raises. I'm just waiting for their non-competes to expire.

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aboralis 10y ago

I would be. Good engineers can only make a good product if the management chain creates an environment for them to do it. Theres also a base level of hatred (lets not pretend its a loved company) oracle has to overcome to get people to use new products as well.

stephengillie 10y ago

Does this include network-layer personnel? Oracle is talking big about their compute, but it's useless without a robust and dynamic network infrastructure. Since storage fabrics are also networks today, a solid infrastructure is doubly-important, yet some data centers and MSPs seem to struggle with this core competency. * Since they seem to be targeting a hybrid approach, how flexible will they be at building and customizing network tunnels to multiple data centers and branch offices? * Will they allow you to host webservers there, or will you have to figure out how to network to another data center - and will it run Java, or can you get Apache or Docker? IIS with License Mobility? * What will they do about human error creating routing loops or erroneous BGP broadcasts, when they expand or perform maintenance? * How will they mitigate both external DDoS and compromised machine attacks from inside? Running a multi-data center MSP is no easy feat. It will be interesting to see what solutions are developed by Oracle's offering to the above problems.

rabidrat 10y ago
> Does this include network-layer personnel? Yes. I used to work at a major networking company in Seattle, and Oracle has recruited many good people from there, and is paying them nose-ruining salaries. I think their cloud may have many problems, but I doubt networking infrastructure will be one of them.
simtel20 10y ago
They are. They are hiring and paying more for the experience of aws and gce employees to kick start their progress.

edfxpy 10y ago

throwaway I'm surprised people still aren't aware of the massive talent transfer from AWS to Oracle. This is much larger than just compute. A constant stream of principles and SDE3s have been moving for well over a year. Most of the senior engineers on my team have moved with 60% raises. I'm just waiting for their non-competes to expire.