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Vector is now called Riot

120 points by mklappstuhl 10y ago

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qwertyuiop924 10y ago
that... is a way less appropriate name. But it works, I guess.
- Arathorn 10y ago
  I dunno - there's something distinctly riotous about tearing down the walls of walled gardens! But then again, I'm biased, given i work on it :)
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    The gardens you're tearing down didn't have especially thick walls. But yes. In any case, it's your project. You can name it what you like, no matter what I think.
- guessmyname 10y ago
  I am also surprised considering that most of the TLDs are already taken, including http://riot.com/ http://riot.com/ - http://riot.io/ http://riot.io/ - http://riot.org/ http://riot.org/
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    ...The namespace conflicts are another problem.
- amandine 10y ago
  How so less appropriate? Lack of link to Matrix? Going out of beta we had to decide on something which was really carrying what the app is, we loved Vector but it has always been a code-name and a nice pun on Matrix :) Riot is more representative of what the app can do and its ambitions! Break the barriers between apps, give the control back to the user to choose their client, if they want to encrypt, host themselves, tune the notifs, the fact it's open, built on the open ecosystem of Matrix and thus benefiting of all the integrations and bridges built for Matrix.... Sounds pretty revolutionary to me ;) Worth noting that only the name changed: the app and the team and the openness are still the same (modulo new features)!
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Yeah, I felt the matrix link made more sense. And yeah, I mean, Riot kind of works, but you have to think about it. The connection is pretty obvious with vector. But at the end of the day, it's just a name, so I'm not too upset about it.
    - amandine 10y ago
      Great :)
  - mynewtb 10y ago
    People probably associate the word with people rioting in the street which is a terrible link... I don't get why you would rename Vector, feels like everyone recommending 'Vector' to friends and family has wasted their time.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Also, Riot feels like a way more generic name...
  - detaro 10y ago
    Less of a link to Matrix, which many of the initial adopters probably would get. it doesn't feel to me as a stronger brand later (both are fairly random words for many people if you don't look at an explanation) violent connotation (CNN headline: "protesters organised using the encrypted Riot app"). potential confusion in tech-y circles with Riot the gaming company (which could totally be in the market to offer a messenger, given that they run one of the biggest online games), for Vector I didn't have any other project in mind. In the end it's just a name and it won't make or break the app for me, but I personally don't see the benefit of the new one.
dblooman 10y ago
Why no picture of the actual app on the front page or the product video
hossbeast 10y ago
So not a new product from the makers of League of Legends, then
- skoczymroczny 10y ago
  And not related to Riot.js
- SamBam 10y ago
  Or anything to do with the other "Riot" that was infamously exposed on HN recently, WrkRiot.
ibab 10y ago
Looks like this is a rebranding of the existing Vector app. Here's the blog post from the creators: https://medium.com/@RiotChat/lets-riot-f5b0aa99dc8e#.3toozs7r6 https://medium.com/@RiotChat/lets-riot-f5b0aa99dc8e#.3toozs7...
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Indeed, it is exactly that. The old title of this post reflect that. I don't know why it was changed.
  - sctb 10y ago
    It's important on HN that titles reflect only the content of the submission, and since the homepage doesn't reference Vector, the title can't. We've just updated the link to the blog post from the homepage, which informs us of the rebranding.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      ...That's a fairly ridiculous rule when it results in problems like this. Have you considered revising it, or something?
sparkiegeek 10y ago
Anyone else reminded of https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/ ?
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Riot, and Matrix in general, were designed to beat that: It's designed to inter-operate with existing chat protocols as much as possible, so that this isn't a problem, but also to provide things that those protocols can't.
- audessuscest 10y ago
  I think xkcd should do one about people using this link systematically so we could respond to them with a xkcd.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    On a related note, "Stop Being So Damn Meta About Everything" is the name of Randall Munroe's cover band cover band.
- SamWhited 10y ago
  Absolutely; as much as the Matrix people claim they're not doing that by "interoperating with other protocols" they don't seem to understand that it's exactly what they're doing. The existing standards (XMPP) already interop in exactly the same way (gateways/transports), so making another protocol instead of improving the gateway / transport story on an existing one is just silly.
  - swsieber 10y ago
    Mmm... I wouldn't quite call it silly. The protocol does support better stuff than XMPP. We're talking about single view notifications across multiple clients and other goodies sometimes implemented by XMPP plugins. And quite frankly from what I've heard the plugins are a pain. I do think a fresh break is what's needed.
nathancahill 10y ago
#bottomlinks is missing a .container wrapper around .row, breaks layout on desktop.
- Arathorn 10y ago
  thanks - on the case
colmvp 10y ago
The audio in the product video seems to cut suddenly at the end.
- amandine 10y ago
  yup will be fixed thanks
cryptolect 10y ago
Interesting to see that "end-to-end crypto" is becoming a frontpage feature for messaging apps.
zokier 10y ago
First impressions: - Hmm... sounds a lot like Apache (née Google) Wave - Intro thingy has definite zombo.com vibe (yes, I do realize that I'm getting old..) On a more serious note, this could be really good concept if executed well. Time will tell, I hope for the best.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  It's based on the Matrix protocol, which you may have heard of. So, yes, it bears more than a little resemblance to Wave by way of IRC, and was built to fix IRC's problems (lack of identity, poor netsplit tolerance, weak extension support, etc.), and also provide strong capabilities for bridging between protocols, so it doesn't wind up in an xkcd.com/927 type scenario.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    > weak extension support Which definitely doesn’t apply to IRC > lack of identity Which the CAP Account extension allows to provide > strong capabilities for bridging between protocols And a Matrix-IRC bridge that constantly breaks, doesn’t properly handle private messages, and which badly handles IRC extensions?
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      IRC bots are a hack, and so much is provided by extensions, that there's no guarantee that your client will support basic features. CAP Account is just that: an extension. It's not inherent to the protocol, and it shows. And I didn't say the present bridges were perfect yet. The project is still a ways from completion.
      - kuschku 10y ago
        > It's not inherent to the protocol, and it shows. IRC extensions are supported by over 90% of clients already, and provide exactly that. In contrast to XMPP is IRC actually renewing itself in production. http://IRCv3.net/ http://IRCv3.net/ EDIT: I can’t answer you right now (you are submitting too fast), so here is my answer inline: > I’ll show the list of extensions both supported by every modern client, and each of the networks you mentioned: > freenode: sasl, account-notify, identify-msg, multi-prefix, extended-join > efnet: multi-prefix > quakenet: none > Hackint: invite-notify, cap-notify, chghost, echo-message, userhost-in-names, account-notify, server-time, account-tag, multi-prefix, extended-join, away-notify, tls, sasl > Snoonet: away-notify, sasl, account-notify, invite-notify, userhost-in-names, multi-prefix, extended-join > Mozilla: sasl, userhost-in-names, multi-prefix > EsperNet: away-notify, sasl, account-notify, multi-prefix, extended-join, tls > Also, support for extensions by server: http://ircv3.net/software/servers.html http://ircv3.net/software/servers.html > And by client: http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html > Any more questions?
rekoros 10y ago
Chat Services Timeline (https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf) needs another update.
cantagi 10y ago
> "Riot is more than a messaging app" This said to me "Riot is just a messaging app" and I bounced. I'd recommend changing that tagline to indicate briefly why a user might use Riot instead of Slack or Whatsapp
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Riot is based on Matrix. If you scrolled down, it would tell you that it's got strong crypto, you can run your own servers, it's got really good cross-protocol bridges, and a ton of other stuff. And it's totally free, save the cost of running your own server if you choose to do so.
  - huntermeyer 10y ago
    For me at least, those features would make for a stronger CTA and incentive to use it.
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      It says all that, right on the main page. If you had just scrolled down a little bit more...
      - eyelidlessness 10y ago
        But if you lose people with information higher in the hierarchy, it doesn't matter what you say after.
        qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Good point. So reorganize the page a bit?
        eyelidlessness 10y ago
        I don't know, honestly I left the page baffled as to what it even is. (I got a better idea from a link to the demo posted here on HN.) It could benefit from focusing on: 1. Why is this thing for me? 2. What is this thing and how does it address #1? Both of those, if possible, should be answered in 1-3 short sentences, above the fold.
nerveband 10y ago
What's this trend of websites making it hard to find screenshots of their app off the bat? Should I really have to sign up just to see how your interface functions/flows? Also, the link to view the main site is tiny and easily forgettable. I think the site could benefit from a stronger CTA that directs you to what I should do.
- amandine 10y ago
  yup screenshots will be added to the website. But no need to signup to play with it :) Full guest access available! Come and chat: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#riot:matrix.org https://riot.im/app/#/room/#riot:matrix.org
kmfrk 10y ago
I know this is every Hacker News comment ever, but I genuinely don't have a good idea of what the app is like after using the site and watching the video. :/
wmccullough 10y ago
I have to say, if I was ever launching a product, I'd never even put a link for my product here. Many people in this thread are acting like overgrown toddlers. Also, why is that some poor girl or guy can't use HN to link to a product without ten million of these: "This is neat, but have you heard of my best friends app that does this already!?? links to Github"
- WaxProlix 10y ago
  You must be new here. There are entire communities that exist to mock the selfimportance and pointless-achievement-obsession of HNers.
- twothamendment 10y ago
  Yes, but for every comment poking fun at or linking to some lame repo, there are how many of us who just check it out? The visibility on HN is pretty good. If I had a product like this I'd shout it out here. Sure there are some comments to ignore, but the exposure is good and someone will have a good question, somewhere. I hope.
mxuribe 10y ago
Great job riot crew/rioters! I started playing around with vector (both web client and mobile app) a couple of months ago, and really like it. I haven't tried the bridge stuff just yet, but am excited to try, especially now that it should be easier. I even installed my own personal server (synapse) for my family - again to kick the tires and test stuff out. Now that you've re-branded and changed the name, you should start thinking of neat taglines...here are few (admittedly silly ones) to get started: - Riot: Come for the decentralized chat, stay for the community. - Riot like its a true democracy. - Riot: Think outside the box, act outside the norm, and chat outside the silos. - Riot: Chat disruption for the matrix. Once again, kudos to the Riot (fka Vector) team for this launch/re-launch!!!
ians 10y ago
Link to the server repo? Only seeing clients on GH.
- amandine 10y ago
  Riot is just a client running with a Matrix server. Synapse is the one we currently run https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/ https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/ Others are in development at http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers but they are all alpha at the moment.
edem 10y ago
Note that there is a very popular game called League of Legends (played by millions) and the company behind it is called Riot. Some people might confuse your brand with their name.
- genericpseudo 10y ago
  What's more, they have a chat app. Lawyers are going to be all over this.
  - mxuribe 10y ago
    I guess it could always be renamed to chat riot? ;-)
- ricardobeat 10y ago
  Also http://riotjs.com http://riotjs.com
lotyrin 10y ago
Did they search for "Riot chat" first? There's another software company named Riot that currently dominates results there despite chat being auxiliary in their products. Hopefully they can shift that in their favor.
- x1798DE 10y ago
  It seems like an improvement over "Vector", which is essentially un-googleable, but seriously, this trend in giving projects single common english word names is really annoying.
- xemdetia 10y ago
  That is still going to be an impossible cliff to climb, they could just be washed out of search results from topical events of actual riots. Hopefully there is a plan attached to this, but it is hard to say because Vector was no better a name to start with (also gets washed out by programming documentation and cutlery sellers).
pomfpomfpomf3 10y ago
Vector (+Matrix) is kinda like self-hosted slack/discord with proper history sync across all your devices, file uploads, nice UI, etc. It's really good. I recommended it to 7 people and every single one liked it, even got 5 of them to set up their own federated homeservers. We're thinking about moving a ~60-people skype group there as well. Only issue I had is Synapse hogging the CPU and getting laggy with a large room (#matrix:matrix.org with its 4 thousand members). I'm using scaleway's 3 EUR/month Starter VC1S server for Synapse though. Hopefully it will get even better with time.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  Synapse does calm down once it's sorted everything out, luckily.
- amandine 10y ago
  Synapse 0.18.0 has just been released, might worth giving it a try as it improves things a bit. Thanks for the support :)
- kuschku 10y ago
  Or you could just use IRC with quassel + quassel-webserver, and get basically all of the same, but with an actual open protocol. Which actually has support.
  - mxuribe 10y ago
    Actually matrix - the protocol upon which vector and now riot depend - is an open protocol; reference here: http://matrix.org/docs/spec/ http://matrix.org/docs/spec/ And then of course, there are the matrix bridges to IRC, etc. Admittedly although i have been using vector clients AND have installed my own personal synapse server, i have no experience using/supporting the various matrix bridges, so can't speak to their quality. That being said, if you've ever been curious about re-doing some aspects of IRC for the better, you might want to take a look at matrix (the protocol), and suggest improvements; we all stand to benefit from your (and the community's) suggestions.
nycmattw 10y ago
Riot games wouldn't be too happy about this
petre 10y ago
The web client looks almost exactly like IRC clients of old.
ritonlajoie 10y ago
Is end to end encryption + E2E encrypted groupchats ready yet ? that's the only think I am interested in. edit: ok it seems it's in BETA and only on the web app for now. Great guys, keep it going and thanks !

120 points by mklappstuhl 10y ago

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qwertyuiop924 10y ago

that... is a way less appropriate name. But it works, I guess.

Arathorn 10y ago
I dunno - there's something distinctly riotous about tearing down the walls of walled gardens! But then again, I'm biased, given i work on it :)
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  The gardens you're tearing down didn't have especially thick walls. But yes. In any case, it's your project. You can name it what you like, no matter what I think.
guessmyname 10y ago
I am also surprised considering that most of the TLDs are already taken, including http://riot.com/ http://riot.com/ - http://riot.io/ http://riot.io/ - http://riot.org/ http://riot.org/
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  ...The namespace conflicts are another problem.
amandine 10y ago
How so less appropriate? Lack of link to Matrix? Going out of beta we had to decide on something which was really carrying what the app is, we loved Vector but it has always been a code-name and a nice pun on Matrix :) Riot is more representative of what the app can do and its ambitions! Break the barriers between apps, give the control back to the user to choose their client, if they want to encrypt, host themselves, tune the notifs, the fact it's open, built on the open ecosystem of Matrix and thus benefiting of all the integrations and bridges built for Matrix.... Sounds pretty revolutionary to me ;) Worth noting that only the name changed: the app and the team and the openness are still the same (modulo new features)!
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  Yeah, I felt the matrix link made more sense. And yeah, I mean, Riot kind of works, but you have to think about it. The connection is pretty obvious with vector. But at the end of the day, it's just a name, so I'm not too upset about it.
  - amandine 10y ago
    Great :)
- mynewtb 10y ago
  People probably associate the word with people rioting in the street which is a terrible link... I don't get why you would rename Vector, feels like everyone recommending 'Vector' to friends and family has wasted their time.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Also, Riot feels like a way more generic name...
- detaro 10y ago
  Less of a link to Matrix, which many of the initial adopters probably would get. it doesn't feel to me as a stronger brand later (both are fairly random words for many people if you don't look at an explanation) violent connotation (CNN headline: "protesters organised using the encrypted Riot app"). potential confusion in tech-y circles with Riot the gaming company (which could totally be in the market to offer a messenger, given that they run one of the biggest online games), for Vector I didn't have any other project in mind. In the end it's just a name and it won't make or break the app for me, but I personally don't see the benefit of the new one.

dblooman 10y ago

Why no picture of the actual app on the front page or the product video

hossbeast 10y ago

So not a new product from the makers of League of Legends, then

skoczymroczny 10y ago
And not related to Riot.js
SamBam 10y ago
Or anything to do with the other "Riot" that was infamously exposed on HN recently, WrkRiot.

ibab 10y ago

Looks like this is a rebranding of the existing Vector app. Here's the blog post from the creators: https://medium.com/@RiotChat/lets-riot-f5b0aa99dc8e#.3toozs7r6 https://medium.com/@RiotChat/lets-riot-f5b0aa99dc8e#.3toozs7...

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Indeed, it is exactly that. The old title of this post reflect that. I don't know why it was changed.
- sctb 10y ago
  It's important on HN that titles reflect only the content of the submission, and since the homepage doesn't reference Vector, the title can't. We've just updated the link to the blog post from the homepage, which informs us of the rebranding.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    ...That's a fairly ridiculous rule when it results in problems like this. Have you considered revising it, or something?

sparkiegeek 10y ago

Anyone else reminded of https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/ ?

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Riot, and Matrix in general, were designed to beat that: It's designed to inter-operate with existing chat protocols as much as possible, so that this isn't a problem, but also to provide things that those protocols can't.
audessuscest 10y ago
I think xkcd should do one about people using this link systematically so we could respond to them with a xkcd.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  On a related note, "Stop Being So Damn Meta About Everything" is the name of Randall Munroe's cover band cover band.
SamWhited 10y ago
Absolutely; as much as the Matrix people claim they're not doing that by "interoperating with other protocols" they don't seem to understand that it's exactly what they're doing. The existing standards (XMPP) already interop in exactly the same way (gateways/transports), so making another protocol instead of improving the gateway / transport story on an existing one is just silly.
- swsieber 10y ago
  Mmm... I wouldn't quite call it silly. The protocol does support better stuff than XMPP. We're talking about single view notifications across multiple clients and other goodies sometimes implemented by XMPP plugins. And quite frankly from what I've heard the plugins are a pain. I do think a fresh break is what's needed.

nathancahill 10y ago

#bottomlinks is missing a .container wrapper around .row, breaks layout on desktop.

Arathorn 10y ago
thanks - on the case

colmvp 10y ago

The audio in the product video seems to cut suddenly at the end.

amandine 10y ago
yup will be fixed thanks

cryptolect 10y ago

Interesting to see that "end-to-end crypto" is becoming a frontpage feature for messaging apps.

zokier 10y ago

First impressions: - Hmm... sounds a lot like Apache (née Google) Wave - Intro thingy has definite zombo.com vibe (yes, I do realize that I'm getting old..) On a more serious note, this could be really good concept if executed well. Time will tell, I hope for the best.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
It's based on the Matrix protocol, which you may have heard of. So, yes, it bears more than a little resemblance to Wave by way of IRC, and was built to fix IRC's problems (lack of identity, poor netsplit tolerance, weak extension support, etc.), and also provide strong capabilities for bridging between protocols, so it doesn't wind up in an xkcd.com/927 type scenario.
- kuschku 10y ago
  > weak extension support Which definitely doesn’t apply to IRC > lack of identity Which the CAP Account extension allows to provide > strong capabilities for bridging between protocols And a Matrix-IRC bridge that constantly breaks, doesn’t properly handle private messages, and which badly handles IRC extensions?
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    IRC bots are a hack, and so much is provided by extensions, that there's no guarantee that your client will support basic features. CAP Account is just that: an extension. It's not inherent to the protocol, and it shows. And I didn't say the present bridges were perfect yet. The project is still a ways from completion.
    - kuschku 10y ago
      > It's not inherent to the protocol, and it shows. IRC extensions are supported by over 90% of clients already, and provide exactly that. In contrast to XMPP is IRC actually renewing itself in production. http://IRCv3.net/ http://IRCv3.net/ EDIT: I can’t answer you right now (you are submitting too fast), so here is my answer inline: > I’ll show the list of extensions both supported by every modern client, and each of the networks you mentioned: > freenode: sasl, account-notify, identify-msg, multi-prefix, extended-join > efnet: multi-prefix > quakenet: none > Hackint: invite-notify, cap-notify, chghost, echo-message, userhost-in-names, account-notify, server-time, account-tag, multi-prefix, extended-join, away-notify, tls, sasl > Snoonet: away-notify, sasl, account-notify, invite-notify, userhost-in-names, multi-prefix, extended-join > Mozilla: sasl, userhost-in-names, multi-prefix > EsperNet: away-notify, sasl, account-notify, multi-prefix, extended-join, tls > Also, support for extensions by server: http://ircv3.net/software/servers.html http://ircv3.net/software/servers.html > And by client: http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html http://ircv3.net/software/clients.html > Any more questions?

rekoros 10y ago

Chat Services Timeline (https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf https://cdn.sameroom.io/chat-timeline.pdf) needs another update.

cantagi 10y ago

> "Riot is more than a messaging app" This said to me "Riot is just a messaging app" and I bounced. I'd recommend changing that tagline to indicate briefly why a user might use Riot instead of Slack or Whatsapp

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Riot is based on Matrix. If you scrolled down, it would tell you that it's got strong crypto, you can run your own servers, it's got really good cross-protocol bridges, and a ton of other stuff. And it's totally free, save the cost of running your own server if you choose to do so.
- huntermeyer 10y ago
  For me at least, those features would make for a stronger CTA and incentive to use it.
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    It says all that, right on the main page. If you had just scrolled down a little bit more...
    - eyelidlessness 10y ago
      But if you lose people with information higher in the hierarchy, it doesn't matter what you say after.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        Good point. So reorganize the page a bit?
        eyelidlessness 10y ago
        I don't know, honestly I left the page baffled as to what it even is. (I got a better idea from a link to the demo posted here on HN.) It could benefit from focusing on: 1. Why is this thing for me? 2. What is this thing and how does it address #1? Both of those, if possible, should be answered in 1-3 short sentences, above the fold.

nerveband 10y ago

What's this trend of websites making it hard to find screenshots of their app off the bat? Should I really have to sign up just to see how your interface functions/flows? Also, the link to view the main site is tiny and easily forgettable. I think the site could benefit from a stronger CTA that directs you to what I should do.

amandine 10y ago
yup screenshots will be added to the website. But no need to signup to play with it :) Full guest access available! Come and chat: https://riot.im/app/#/room/#riot:matrix.org https://riot.im/app/#/room/#riot:matrix.org

kmfrk 10y ago

I know this is every Hacker News comment ever, but I genuinely don't have a good idea of what the app is like after using the site and watching the video. :/

wmccullough 10y ago

I have to say, if I was ever launching a product, I'd never even put a link for my product here. Many people in this thread are acting like overgrown toddlers. Also, why is that some poor girl or guy can't use HN to link to a product without ten million of these: "This is neat, but have you heard of my best friends app that does this already!?? links to Github"

WaxProlix 10y ago
You must be new here. There are entire communities that exist to mock the selfimportance and pointless-achievement-obsession of HNers.
twothamendment 10y ago
Yes, but for every comment poking fun at or linking to some lame repo, there are how many of us who just check it out? The visibility on HN is pretty good. If I had a product like this I'd shout it out here. Sure there are some comments to ignore, but the exposure is good and someone will have a good question, somewhere. I hope.

mxuribe 10y ago

Great job riot crew/rioters! I started playing around with vector (both web client and mobile app) a couple of months ago, and really like it. I haven't tried the bridge stuff just yet, but am excited to try, especially now that it should be easier. I even installed my own personal server (synapse) for my family - again to kick the tires and test stuff out. Now that you've re-branded and changed the name, you should start thinking of neat taglines...here are few (admittedly silly ones) to get started: - Riot: Come for the decentralized chat, stay for the community. - Riot like its a true democracy. - Riot: Think outside the box, act outside the norm, and chat outside the silos. - Riot: Chat disruption for the matrix. Once again, kudos to the Riot (fka Vector) team for this launch/re-launch!!!

ians 10y ago

Link to the server repo? Only seeing clients on GH.

amandine 10y ago
Riot is just a client running with a Matrix server. Synapse is the one we currently run https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/ https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/ Others are in development at http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers http://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html#servers but they are all alpha at the moment.

edem 10y ago

Note that there is a very popular game called League of Legends (played by millions) and the company behind it is called Riot. Some people might confuse your brand with their name.

genericpseudo 10y ago
What's more, they have a chat app. Lawyers are going to be all over this.
- mxuribe 10y ago
  I guess it could always be renamed to chat riot? ;-)
ricardobeat 10y ago
Also http://riotjs.com http://riotjs.com

lotyrin 10y ago

Did they search for "Riot chat" first? There's another software company named Riot that currently dominates results there despite chat being auxiliary in their products. Hopefully they can shift that in their favor.

x1798DE 10y ago
It seems like an improvement over "Vector", which is essentially un-googleable, but seriously, this trend in giving projects single common english word names is really annoying.
xemdetia 10y ago
That is still going to be an impossible cliff to climb, they could just be washed out of search results from topical events of actual riots. Hopefully there is a plan attached to this, but it is hard to say because Vector was no better a name to start with (also gets washed out by programming documentation and cutlery sellers).

pomfpomfpomf3 10y ago

Vector (+Matrix) is kinda like self-hosted slack/discord with proper history sync across all your devices, file uploads, nice UI, etc. It's really good. I recommended it to 7 people and every single one liked it, even got 5 of them to set up their own federated homeservers. We're thinking about moving a ~60-people skype group there as well. Only issue I had is Synapse hogging the CPU and getting laggy with a large room (#matrix:matrix.org with its 4 thousand members). I'm using scaleway's 3 EUR/month Starter VC1S server for Synapse though. Hopefully it will get even better with time.

vertex-four 10y ago
Synapse does calm down once it's sorted everything out, luckily.
amandine 10y ago
Synapse 0.18.0 has just been released, might worth giving it a try as it improves things a bit. Thanks for the support :)
kuschku 10y ago
Or you could just use IRC with quassel + quassel-webserver, and get basically all of the same, but with an actual open protocol. Which actually has support.
- mxuribe 10y ago
  Actually matrix - the protocol upon which vector and now riot depend - is an open protocol; reference here: http://matrix.org/docs/spec/ http://matrix.org/docs/spec/ And then of course, there are the matrix bridges to IRC, etc. Admittedly although i have been using vector clients AND have installed my own personal synapse server, i have no experience using/supporting the various matrix bridges, so can't speak to their quality. That being said, if you've ever been curious about re-doing some aspects of IRC for the better, you might want to take a look at matrix (the protocol), and suggest improvements; we all stand to benefit from your (and the community's) suggestions.

nycmattw 10y ago

Riot games wouldn't be too happy about this

petre 10y ago

The web client looks almost exactly like IRC clients of old.

ritonlajoie 10y ago

Is end to end encryption + E2E encrypted groupchats ready yet ? that's the only think I am interested in. edit: ok it seems it's in BETA and only on the web app for now. Great guys, keep it going and thanks !