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Life without parole was found to breach human rights in the EU and other places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment#Reform_or_abolition https://en

by zelos 10y ago

Life without parole was found to breach human rights in the EU and other places: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment#Reform_or_abolition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment#Reform_or_ab... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/world/europe/10iht-britain10.html?smid=tw-share http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/world/europe/10iht-britain...

saiya-jin 10y ago
which sometimes brings ridiculous situations, when people like Breivik are sentenced to 21 years, because that's the Norway limit. that's showing a weakness to evil, and weakness will always be eventually used against the best intentions of original authors (in his case, I wouldn't mind firing squad right after trial, in same way he killed those kids). there is 0% doubt about his full guilt, and almost 100% chance he will never add any positive value to mankind, ever.
- Veen 10y ago
  Norway's treatment of Breivik has nothing to do with Breivik and everything to do with the sort of society Norwegians want to live in. They simply aren't prepared to abandon their values and respect for human life because of the evil acts of a maniac. I applaud them for it.
- Thlom 10y ago
  He got 21 year special detention (forvaring), meaning he'll probably sit for life or until he is no longer deemed a threat to society. The detention will be renewed every 5 year or so by a special court. But this is also problematic as the prisoner is locked up for an undetermined amount of time, which is suffering in and of itself. But I don't think it's worse than life without parole, which seems like absolute torture to me. BTW, after 2015 the maximum sentence in Norway is 30 years.
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    OK I stand corrected, I thought he only got 21 years and will be out afterwards
- tallanvor 10y ago
  I used to be for the death penalty, but now I feel that the death penalty is really just state-sponsored revenge. Our society has moved beyond the "eye for an eye" concept, and it's natural that feelings about the death penalty will follow. Will Breivik get out in 21 years? It's possible that he'll convince the necessary people that he's been appropriately punished and understands why his actions were wrong, but most people believe it's unlikely. --The terms of his conviction allow him to be held longer if the State determines it is necessary. The US needs to start looking at prisons more like Norway does - the deprivation of freedom is punishment for a crime, but we should have a duty to those who are imprisoned to help prepare them for when they are released - at that point their punishment is supposed to be over, and their crimes shouldn't continue to follow them and prevent them from being able to live like any other person.

by zelos 10y ago

saiya-jin 10y ago

which sometimes brings ridiculous situations, when people like Breivik are sentenced to 21 years, because that's the Norway limit. that's showing a weakness to evil, and weakness will always be eventually used against the best intentions of original authors (in his case, I wouldn't mind firing squad right after trial, in same way he killed those kids). there is 0% doubt about his full guilt, and almost 100% chance he will never add any positive value to mankind, ever.

Veen 10y ago
Norway's treatment of Breivik has nothing to do with Breivik and everything to do with the sort of society Norwegians want to live in. They simply aren't prepared to abandon their values and respect for human life because of the evil acts of a maniac. I applaud them for it.
Thlom 10y ago
He got 21 year special detention (forvaring), meaning he'll probably sit for life or until he is no longer deemed a threat to society. The detention will be renewed every 5 year or so by a special court. But this is also problematic as the prisoner is locked up for an undetermined amount of time, which is suffering in and of itself. But I don't think it's worse than life without parole, which seems like absolute torture to me. BTW, after 2015 the maximum sentence in Norway is 30 years.
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  OK I stand corrected, I thought he only got 21 years and will be out afterwards
tallanvor 10y ago
I used to be for the death penalty, but now I feel that the death penalty is really just state-sponsored revenge. Our society has moved beyond the "eye for an eye" concept, and it's natural that feelings about the death penalty will follow. Will Breivik get out in 21 years? It's possible that he'll convince the necessary people that he's been appropriately punished and understands why his actions were wrong, but most people believe it's unlikely. --The terms of his conviction allow him to be held longer if the State determines it is necessary. The US needs to start looking at prisons more like Norway does - the deprivation of freedom is punishment for a crime, but we should have a duty to those who are imprisoned to help prepare them for when they are released - at that point their punishment is supposed to be over, and their crimes shouldn't continue to follow them and prevent them from being able to live like any other person.