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It makes little different for computer programmers, as evidenced by the abundance of American (i.e. non EU) apps and services used throughout the EU. It would

It makes little different for computer programmers, as evidenced by the abundance of American (i.e. non EU) apps and services used throughout the EU. It would make more difference for other industries, but "move to Berlin from London as a js dev" doesn't make much sense to me. I suspect some Berlin-based recruiters are just desperate and trying out a new tack to see if a bit of fear works better vs just advertising Berlin itself (which is a lovely city, mind you, I've thought about moving there in the past).

phillc73 10y ago
Non-British EU citizens, currently living in the UK/London could be very attracted by a move to Berlin. It would remove a large chunk of uncertainty from their future, regardless of industry. As a British citizen currently living in another EU country, I have no idea what my official immigration status will be in a couple of years. My crystal ball shows me a future filled by paperwork and bureaucracy.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  That would be the case if there were forced expulsions, which realistically would only occur if the EU did the same thing to Brits. It's a worst case scenario that everyone presumably wants to avoid (though the EU seems increasingly fanatical, so who knows what will happen).
  - guitarbill 10y ago
    > That would be the case if there were forced expulsion No, I think phillc73 is spot on. Consider the case where Brits get EU visas (and vice versa), it's still a shit-tonne of paperwork for everybody involved. For companies, even without forced expulsion, other tech hubs are likely to be more attractive now as an EU base.
  - felipeerias 10y ago
    The problem is not the far-fetched possibility of mass expulsions: it's simply that, after Brexit, British citizens will likely need a work visa in order to work in the EU. And work visas for non-EU applicants are neither easy nor quick to get. I guess the UK could propose to allow free movement of British workers to the EU, but the EU will demand in turn that European workers be allowed the same free movement to the UK (and stopping that was one of the main points of the Brexit vote, wasn't it?).

phillc73 10y ago

Non-British EU citizens, currently living in the UK/London could be very attracted by a move to Berlin. It would remove a large chunk of uncertainty from their future, regardless of industry. As a British citizen currently living in another EU country, I have no idea what my official immigration status will be in a couple of years. My crystal ball shows me a future filled by paperwork and bureaucracy.

zigzigzag 10y ago
That would be the case if there were forced expulsions, which realistically would only occur if the EU did the same thing to Brits. It's a worst case scenario that everyone presumably wants to avoid (though the EU seems increasingly fanatical, so who knows what will happen).
- guitarbill 10y ago
  > That would be the case if there were forced expulsion No, I think phillc73 is spot on. Consider the case where Brits get EU visas (and vice versa), it's still a shit-tonne of paperwork for everybody involved. For companies, even without forced expulsion, other tech hubs are likely to be more attractive now as an EU base.
- felipeerias 10y ago
  The problem is not the far-fetched possibility of mass expulsions: it's simply that, after Brexit, British citizens will likely need a work visa in order to work in the EU. And work visas for non-EU applicants are neither easy nor quick to get. I guess the UK could propose to allow free movement of British workers to the EU, but the EU will demand in turn that European workers be allowed the same free movement to the UK (and stopping that was one of the main points of the Brexit vote, wasn't it?).