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Are cops actually prepared for this sort of thing? If you handed them the information and was like "Here's a hacker, take them down." The cops have a division o

by ge96 10y ago

Are cops actually prepared for this sort of thing? If you handed them the information and was like "Here's a hacker, take them down." The cops have a division or something for cyber security enforcement or whatever? I'm just asking as I don't imagine police officers being the tech type regarding hacking.

cmdkeen 10y ago
Are "cops" prepared for handling multi-million dollar frauds in general? The people reporting this sort of activity aren't wandering into their local police station, they will have the right contacts with the right parts of the state / national agency responsible. Fraud (almost) any form isn't dealt with by the police officers you interact with on a daily basis, just like other serious crime.
function_seven 10y ago
Like a lot of things, I'd imagine the capability varies tremendously among the different police departments. I wouldn't be surprised if New York or London police have sophisticated detectives dedicated to cyber-security. (I also wouldn't be surprised if they're still woefully outmatched, either) Meanwhile, if I were to deliver this info to my local police department, I have very little faith they'd even know what I'm talking about.
- masklinn 10y ago
  That doesn't seem like something which'd make sense at the local police level though, as chances are high it's international, or at the very least interstate. I would think (when the local cops don't just decide to ignore it) this kind of things gets escalated to the feds.
- robinduckett 10y ago
  When local police arrived, I had to explain Skype to them. This is when I realised they probably couldn't do anything about it.
  - rz2k 10y ago
    It could be that their security experts were in their early twenties and had never heard of skype.
    - thaumasiotes 10y ago
      My 13-year-old brother and sister are on skype constantly. If the computer's open, skype is running in the background. Skype is also well-known among current chinese college students. Basically, I think it's unlikely that anyone in their early twenties has never heard of skype.
- walshemj 10y ago
  The problem is those experienced police officers can earn more in the private sector and police forces tend to have difficulty keeping staff - also as the FBI has found recruiting cyber spooks is difficult
robinduckett 10y ago
Ran an image hosting website, "hackers" uploaded some nasty content over Tor, I gave law enforcement the exit node IP addresses but really there wasn't much they could do. It depends on the amount of information available I guess.
- ge96 10y ago
  What do you do for checking what is uploaded? Do you use a service like Amazon Mechanical Turk and have people go over the content or do you use something like computer vision? Exit node ip, that's the last ip-address right? There was something in PHP I did recently that did that, gave you the last ip. Maybe I'm mistaken.
brbsix 10y ago
Even if they were prepared for cyber crime, would they be prepared to act on information you give them? Sure, if you supply law enforcement with the location of your recently stolen electronic device they will go after it (as I've had them do twice now). That's pretty straightforward. On the other hand if you give them the details of some purported fraudster, of whom you are not even a victim, a thorough investigation would be necessary prior to any action on their part. At least I'd hope so, otherwise there's a whole new genre of swatting (i.e. framing unsuspecting victims as black hat hackers) that has yet to be exploited.
- ge96 10y ago
  I'm just concerned if they have the technical know-how of doing it. I mean yeah what you said is right. The proof. Otherwise going after someobody who might be innocent.
  - ctrlalt_g 10y ago
    You should go ahead and call your local police department. Chances are that they don't deal with cyber crimes unless you live in a large city (or if your city contracts with a larger police department). There's also the issue of jurisdiction. If the crime is originating across some border (which more than likely it is), there's probably not much they're willing to do about it.
    - ge96 10y ago
      nothing to report, just wondering
      - ctrlalt_g 10y ago
        I meant call them and ask about how they handle cyber crimes. It's part of their job to answer questions about public security.
NetStrikeForce 10y ago
Yes, Police has these kind of divisions. E.g. these are the Spanish ones: https://www.gdt.guardiacivil.es/webgdt/home_alerta.php https://www.gdt.guardiacivil.es/webgdt/home_alerta.php http://www.policia.es/org_central/judicial/udef/bit_alertas.html http://www.policia.es/org_central/judicial/udef/bit_alertas....

by ge96 10y ago

cmdkeen 10y ago

Are "cops" prepared for handling multi-million dollar frauds in general? The people reporting this sort of activity aren't wandering into their local police station, they will have the right contacts with the right parts of the state / national agency responsible. Fraud (almost) any form isn't dealt with by the police officers you interact with on a daily basis, just like other serious crime.

function_seven 10y ago

Like a lot of things, I'd imagine the capability varies tremendously among the different police departments. I wouldn't be surprised if New York or London police have sophisticated detectives dedicated to cyber-security. (I also wouldn't be surprised if they're still woefully outmatched, either) Meanwhile, if I were to deliver this info to my local police department, I have very little faith they'd even know what I'm talking about.

masklinn 10y ago
That doesn't seem like something which'd make sense at the local police level though, as chances are high it's international, or at the very least interstate. I would think (when the local cops don't just decide to ignore it) this kind of things gets escalated to the feds.
robinduckett 10y ago
When local police arrived, I had to explain Skype to them. This is when I realised they probably couldn't do anything about it.
- rz2k 10y ago
  It could be that their security experts were in their early twenties and had never heard of skype.
  - thaumasiotes 10y ago
    My 13-year-old brother and sister are on skype constantly. If the computer's open, skype is running in the background. Skype is also well-known among current chinese college students. Basically, I think it's unlikely that anyone in their early twenties has never heard of skype.
walshemj 10y ago
The problem is those experienced police officers can earn more in the private sector and police forces tend to have difficulty keeping staff - also as the FBI has found recruiting cyber spooks is difficult

robinduckett 10y ago

Ran an image hosting website, "hackers" uploaded some nasty content over Tor, I gave law enforcement the exit node IP addresses but really there wasn't much they could do. It depends on the amount of information available I guess.

ge96 10y ago
What do you do for checking what is uploaded? Do you use a service like Amazon Mechanical Turk and have people go over the content or do you use something like computer vision? Exit node ip, that's the last ip-address right? There was something in PHP I did recently that did that, gave you the last ip. Maybe I'm mistaken.

brbsix 10y ago

Even if they were prepared for cyber crime, would they be prepared to act on information you give them? Sure, if you supply law enforcement with the location of your recently stolen electronic device they will go after it (as I've had them do twice now). That's pretty straightforward. On the other hand if you give them the details of some purported fraudster, of whom you are not even a victim, a thorough investigation would be necessary prior to any action on their part. At least I'd hope so, otherwise there's a whole new genre of swatting (i.e. framing unsuspecting victims as black hat hackers) that has yet to be exploited.

ge96 10y ago
I'm just concerned if they have the technical know-how of doing it. I mean yeah what you said is right. The proof. Otherwise going after someobody who might be innocent.
- ctrlalt_g 10y ago
  You should go ahead and call your local police department. Chances are that they don't deal with cyber crimes unless you live in a large city (or if your city contracts with a larger police department). There's also the issue of jurisdiction. If the crime is originating across some border (which more than likely it is), there's probably not much they're willing to do about it.
  - ge96 10y ago
    nothing to report, just wondering
    - ctrlalt_g 10y ago
      I meant call them and ask about how they handle cyber crimes. It's part of their job to answer questions about public security.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago

Yes, Police has these kind of divisions. E.g. these are the Spanish ones: https://www.gdt.guardiacivil.es/webgdt/home_alerta.php https://www.gdt.guardiacivil.es/webgdt/home_alerta.php http://www.policia.es/org_central/judicial/udef/bit_alertas.html http://www.policia.es/org_central/judicial/udef/bit_alertas....