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It seems like his questions were serious (not rhetorical), so I'll answer them for real. The answers pretend that the 20th century hasn't happened yet—there's n
by tsm 10y ago
It seems like his questions were serious (not rhetorical), so I'll answer them for real. The answers pretend that the 20th century hasn't happened yet—there's no point explaining the interesting things people like Schoenberg did if you don't understand the mainstream tradition in place before them.
1) Why does notation allow for seven pitches, not 12? Because music is at most built out of 7-note scales, not 12. If something's in C major, you can expect to play a C, D, E, F, G, A, and B. If something's in B minor, you can expect to play a B, C#, D, E, F#, G, and A. The notation makes writing this fairly compact…and if you do need a pitch outside the scale, it's easy enough to write in the accidental #, b, or natural sign. If each semitone had a unique place in the staff (base-12 notation instead of base-7), sheet music would take up 70% more space for no good reason.
2) What about C# and F# is supposed to tell you 'D'? Um…the fact that the key of D has an F# and C# in it. You literally just memorize it. It can be constructed from the circle of fifths semi-elegantly, but at the end of the day any semi-competent musician should be able to tell you without thinking that the first two sharps are F and C, and the major key with two sharps is D.
3) Why do some have sharps and some have flats? Think of sharps as protons, flats as electrons, and the key as the overall charge. D has a charge of +2 (two sharps). F has a charge of -1 (one flat). Going up the circle of fifths adds charge (a fifth above D is A, which is +3…a fifth above that is E, which is +4). Going the other way around the circle of fifths removes charge (a fifth below D is G, +1. Fifth below that is C, 0. Fifth below that is F, -1). The most elegant way of talking about D is to say it's +2 and that that corresponds to two sharps. It's mathematically equivalent to write it with 3 flats and 5 sharps (so you'd have, for example, B-flat, sharpened) but that's not a useful way to model it. B-flat, sharpened, is the same as B natural, and B natural is much more fun to work with.
4) Confusion about major and minor It's worth introducing the word tonic. The tonic is the "home" note—the note you can play that makes the music sound like it could be finished. The tonic is also the key that you're in. So if you're in G major, the tonic is G, and the tune will either finish on a G or sound very incomplete (some composers exploit this effect, ending on not-the-tonic to catch the listeners by surprise). E minor has the same sharps and flats as G major, but it resolves to an E instead of a G. Für Elise is written in A minor, which does indeed have the same sharps and flats as C major. But it's "in" A—it resolves to A. If you rejiggered it to resolve to a C, some of the notes would sound out of tune. If you bent the notes until they sounded in tune, you'd realize that you were playing a Bb, Eb, and Ab instead of all naturals…and that means you're playing in C minor and all you did was transpose the thing up a third. Major and minor have very different feels (this is easily noticeable in the Für Elise video), and most people can listen to a fragment of a melody and instantly decide whether it felt major or minor. Major and minor aren't the only scale systems, by the way. Having a tonic of C and no sharps is major. C with one sharp is lydian. C with one flat is mixolydian. C with two flats is dorian. And so on and so forth.
5) Futzing about with hertz and intervals It's not quite fair to say that half steps "should" go by the 12th root of two or whatever. That results in "equal temperament", which is a relatively modern phenomenon. The ratios that it's close to are what the ear actually wants to hear—the most pleasant-sounding fifth will have the ratio 3:2, not 1.498:1. This is actually because of the interference of the waves—if you play 3hz against 2hz the waves will both be at 0 every 6 seconds and you get a very pure tone (actually 3hz is too low to hear, but the math is convenient). But if you play 1.498hz against 1hz they'll both be at zero again who knows when, and a good ear can hear the "beating" as the waves almost-but-not-quite line up. The same applies to all the other intervals. You would think that we could tool our way up by fifths to get the "best" tuning for everything, but the math doesn't quite work out. If you tune C to 100hz (and thus 200hz, 400hz, 800hz, etc), then the G a fifth above will be 150hz, D above that will be 225hz, A 337.5hz, E 506.25, B 759.375, F# 1139.0625, C# 1708.59375, G# 2562.890625, D# 3844.3359375, A# 5766.50390625, E# 8649.755859375, and B# (which is supposed to be the same as C) will be 12974.6337890625. But if we continue stacking octaves on top of the base C, we go 100-200-400-800-1600-3200-6400-12800-25600. Crap! 12800hz is almost-but-not-quite the 12974.6337890625hz we got from stacking fifths. The difference between the two is called "the comma", and figuring out what to do with it has plagued musicians for 500 years. Each tuning that deals with the comma is called a "temperament". The most common one NOW is "equal temperament", which is what was discussed above. In terms of the comma, it just distributes the comma equally across all 12 intervals, so that everything is equally out of tune. But that's not the only answer. "Quarter-comma meantone", for example, flattens the fifth (and messes with a few other intervals), but has a perfect major third—and sounds very different! And now, hold that thought…
6) Why A-B-C#-D instead of A-B-Db-D? Apart from the "every seven-note scale should have one instance of each note" maxim, this becomes a very practical question when dealing with temperament. C# is not Db…it's just that the modern piano likes to equate them. Let's say we're in quarter-comma meantone in A. So A (440hz) is in tune because we're in A, and C# (550hz) is in tune because the point of quarter comma is to make the major third in tune. But E (657.932hz) is a little bit flat (should be 660hz). Okay. And it also turns out that G# is 822.448hz. So you've tuned your keyboard thusly, and things are sounding pretty good in A major. Now you turn the page and—surprise!—the next piece is in Db minor. With the tuning on your keyboard, a Db minor chord (Db + Fb + Ab) would be 550hz (C# ~= Db) + 657.932hz (E ~= Fb) + 822.448hz (G# ~= Ab). The "ideal" values, based on A-440, would be 550hz, 660hz, and 825hz. Take it on faith, this doesn't sound good. And with a different temperament, it could've been worse—in this one at least you got the Db right! So why does it work like this? Inherent in unequal temperament is the notion of "good intervals" (A-C# as a major third is good here) and "bad intervals" (Db-Fb as a minor third is a little more icky). Violin (and similar) players work around this by fudging notes on the fly to be properly in tune (since it's an analogy instrument you can play whatever hertz you want). Through the 18th century, a C# would be played a little flatter than a Db, because that makes the harmonies as a whole turn out better (keep in mind that harmony is built on the desired interval: C#-Fb is a fucked-up fourth and isn't really supposed to sound good, Db-Fb is a minor third and should sound fine). Later on people started playing C sharps higher than D flats because it makes the melody line sound more compelling, harmony be damned (so-called "expressive intonation"). But at no point in time before the flowering of equal temperament was it ever acceptable to consider C# and Db as the same thing. Some early keyboards (much loved by Haydn and others) had much more than 12 keys per octave—they'd have the seven naturals, seven sharps, seven flats, and then specialist stuff like "C# when part of an A major chord", "C# when part of an F# chord", etcetera.
Hopefully this was a good balance of depth and brevity…let me know if anything's unclear or there are more questions.
- djaychela 10y agoJust read through most of the comments on here before posting something... to find that you've covered it brilliantly. Textbook stuff, IMO (as someone who teaches music technology and covers a lot of this when we get to notation). I've always found the best way to explain why keys end up with the sharps/flats they do in the order they do is to start from C, and establish the TTSTTTS construction, and then "arbitrarily" try it in a new key (G), and show that the seventh note needs to move up to retain the TTSTTTS pattern, and so on - same for flats, starting 'arbitrarily' with F, and showing that the 4th note needs to be flattened, and then in both cases getting the students to think about what's just happened (going up 5 scale steps (to G in the first case), sharpen the 7th of the new scale, or going down 4 scale steps (to F initially), flatten the 4th of the new scale), and using that algorithm to build the other keys. Most of the kids I know have almost no music theory when they come to me, and even those that are studying A level music often take the order of flats or sharps as "just something you accept" - it's interesting watching them switch onto how to build it themselves, and get some understanding of it as a result. Same goes for minor keys and indeed modes - the author of the article totally misses the point about the context of the notes being what's important - "home" notes as you say, and again, once demonstrated in the right way, it's interesting to see people switch onto that and become able to use it.
- theOnliest 10y ago> Why does notation allow for seven pitches, not 12? Because music is at most built out of 7-note scales, not 12. This answer is good, but I wanted to pick one tiny nit, which is that not all music is built out of 7-note scales. A lot of music is, but music that isn't doesn't often lie well on the staff. That's true, incidentally, whether there are more than 7 notes in the scale (12-tone music, lots of octatonic music from people like Stravinsky, Scriabin, etc.) or fewer (whole-tone music comes to mind, as does the slightly more esoteric hexatonic scale). Pentatonic music fits well on the staff because the pentatonic scale is a subset of the ordinary diatonic.
- soundwave106 10y agoProbably the correct way to phrase this is Western sheet notation was designed around the diatonic scale. Western art music rarely deviated a lot from diatonic until the late 19th / early 20th century. Another way would be to say, "most music historically has been built out of 7-note scales", because from my perspective, that would be correct... the vast majority of music systems in the world are either heptatonic or pentatonic. There are obviously exceptions (Gamelan scales for a start -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slendro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slendro), but to be honest I can't think of any historical octatonic or higher scales at the moment. I'm sure they exist, but they seem pretty rare (until the late 19th / early 20th century classical era that is).