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oh I get your position. I felt that was true for years. The real question is, is a human death tragic? Even your own? And the answer has to be no. It's not. It'

oh I get your position. I felt that was true for years. The real question is, is a human death tragic? Even your own? And the answer has to be no. It's not. It's a goof this life. Dying is not the worse thing that can happen. Not living is. How do I think terrible things like torture and kids dying in Syria is silly? Because each human is NOT really a seperate thing that has to survive at all costs. Think of humans like pids or threads. They come and go. When a linux process dies is that tragic?

cmurf 10y ago
You're even dumber than I thought. No fool, it's not death that's tragic, it's human suffering. Torture for years before dying. Oh yeah, that's just a goof. Asswipe.
- andrewfromx 10y ago
  Well think about who taught you that life was serious. What was their agenda? Well they want to rule the world of course. What's the best way to rule over someone. Tell him to fear death and that their only choice is to do what you say and they will avoid a horrible fate. How can you be "saved"? just stop caring about your fate. Bring it on whatever is is. Torture, hard work situation, any adversity in your life. Laugh at it and you can't be ruled. That makes people very dangerous of course.
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smallnamespace 10y ago
> The real question is, is a human death tragic? ... Dying is not the worse thing that can happen. It's very easy to say this on HN. I'd like to see you say that with a straight face to a war widow or a mother who just lost her child though.
- andrewfromx 10y ago
  what if life is 1 big computer simulation? Then the mother and child are pids. Do you feel pain when you kill -9 a process on a linux box?
  - pharrington 10y ago
    You're having a hard time keeping a coherent train of thought. In your computer simulation of people, if you're modeling individuals as processes, then another process feels pain when a process it cares about is killed. If you're deliberately killing people in a computer simulation where you know the simulated people are sentient, you are an asshole. Your computer analogy only holds when simulating sentient people; the whole point of computers is that they are capable of arbitrary computation. Since we cannot currently use that arbitrary computation to simulate a person, kill -9 in 2016 isn't analogous. e: 2016
    - andrewfromx 10y ago
      If I start a program that creates pids, and each pid is programmed to feel like a little simple human that does stuff, and I slowly slowly make that program more and more complex until it's the level of the AI girl in a movie like ex-Machina at what point is ctrl-c and killing the whole program being a cruel god that wipes out millions of pids/humans without caring?
      - pharrington 10y ago
        Don't move the goalposts; removing reality is entirely different than causing pain within the reality. A simpler scenario; I meet you and decide, for whatever reason, to kick you in the dick. In this moment, you are no longer an absurdist: your whole world is pain; pain is literally the only thing you can perceive. Now, post dick-kicking, when you eventually convince yourself again that nothing really matters, does your perception of me change? If so, why? If not, why? And why do you value your pain over the war widow's?
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cmurf 10y ago

You're even dumber than I thought. No fool, it's not death that's tragic, it's human suffering. Torture for years before dying. Oh yeah, that's just a goof. Asswipe.

andrewfromx 10y ago
Well think about who taught you that life was serious. What was their agenda? Well they want to rule the world of course. What's the best way to rule over someone. Tell him to fear death and that their only choice is to do what you say and they will avoid a horrible fate. How can you be "saved"? just stop caring about your fate. Bring it on whatever is is. Torture, hard work situation, any adversity in your life. Laugh at it and you can't be ruled. That makes people very dangerous of course.
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smallnamespace 10y ago

> The real question is, is a human death tragic? ... Dying is not the worse thing that can happen. It's very easy to say this on HN. I'd like to see you say that with a straight face to a war widow or a mother who just lost her child though.

andrewfromx 10y ago
what if life is 1 big computer simulation? Then the mother and child are pids. Do you feel pain when you kill -9 a process on a linux box?
- pharrington 10y ago
  You're having a hard time keeping a coherent train of thought. In your computer simulation of people, if you're modeling individuals as processes, then another process feels pain when a process it cares about is killed. If you're deliberately killing people in a computer simulation where you know the simulated people are sentient, you are an asshole. Your computer analogy only holds when simulating sentient people; the whole point of computers is that they are capable of arbitrary computation. Since we cannot currently use that arbitrary computation to simulate a person, kill -9 in 2016 isn't analogous. e: 2016
  - andrewfromx 10y ago
    If I start a program that creates pids, and each pid is programmed to feel like a little simple human that does stuff, and I slowly slowly make that program more and more complex until it's the level of the AI girl in a movie like ex-Machina at what point is ctrl-c and killing the whole program being a cruel god that wipes out millions of pids/humans without caring?
    - pharrington 10y ago
      Don't move the goalposts; removing reality is entirely different than causing pain within the reality. A simpler scenario; I meet you and decide, for whatever reason, to kick you in the dick. In this moment, you are no longer an absurdist: your whole world is pain; pain is literally the only thing you can perceive. Now, post dick-kicking, when you eventually convince yourself again that nothing really matters, does your perception of me change? If so, why? If not, why? And why do you value your pain over the war widow's?
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