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I'd just like to echo what tominous said. I'll be honest, and say that your post set off what I'd call my "Crank/Crackpot Detector". By no means is that detecto
by M_Grey 10y ago
I'd just like to echo what tominous said. I'll be honest, and say that your post set off what I'd call my "Crank/Crackpot Detector". By no means is that detector anything approaching perfect, but if I had to describe why it went off, tomimous' post gets right to the heart of it.
To be clear, I don't disagree with your characterization of antipsychotics as being potentially (often) devastating in the long term. When you meet people with drastic manifestations of tardive dyskinesia from their medications for example, that fact becomes exceedingly clear.
The problem is that it becomes equally clear upon careful examination, that the only worse outcome than a lifetime of antipsychotic therapy, is psychosis. Each psychotic break is correlated with increasingly grim outcomes, such as a homelessness, permanent care, and suicide.
I see your argument as very impassioned, but fundamentally in the same vein as people who tell you to avoid chemotherapy because it's bad for you. It's true, chemotherapy is poison, but oftentimes it's the best we have to work with. The problem then, is that recognizing the limitations of current therapies doesn't imply that a better "natural" alternative exists right now.
- tcj_phx 10y agoHi, thanks for posting and sharing your reaction to what I'd said. I'm going to respond to tominous next, so check for that comment too. > I'll be honest, and say that your post set off what I'd call my "Crank/Crackpot Detector". I know, right? It's usually safe to assume that conventional practices are what they are because they're the best we have, at the present time. > Each psychotic break is correlated with increasingly grim outcomes, such as a homelessness, permanent care, and suicide. Robert Whitaker proposes that patients did much better before the psychiatrists had drugs to put them on: people had "episodes" from which they frequently recovered. Page 7 of "The Case Against Antipsychotics" [1] begins a discussion of studies of psychotic illnesses in the pre-drug era. [1] http://www.madinamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/The-Case-Against-Antipsychotics.pdf http://www.madinamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/The-C... > It's true, chemotherapy is poison, but oftentimes it's the best we have to work with. Sometimes science takes detours before it rediscovers that which was previously unpopular. This article demonstrates that progressive oncologists are beginning to recognize the errors of their predecessors: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/magazine/warburg-effect-an-old-idea-revived-starve-cancer-to-death.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/magazine/warburg-effect-an...