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The point I got is this: Just because we can't figure out a physical picture of consciousness doesn't mean there isn't one. Furthermore, it is the physical part
by shawkinaw 10y ago
The point I got is this: Just because we can't figure out a physical picture of consciousness doesn't mean there isn't one. Furthermore, it is the physical part that is the big mystery, rather than the consciousness part.
- collyw 10y agoJust because we can't figure out a physical picture of consciousness it seems quite unwise to assume that it is without any evidence.
- goatlover 10y agoThe evidence is that consciousness is tied to the physical somehow (via brains at least). What this means, we haven't been able to figure out. Or at least, there is no consensus.
- collyw 10y agoI am not denying it is tied to the physical, that seems fairly obvious, but it doesn't mean that it is a only physical phenomenon. A radio is not the same as the channel that it is playing and one is tied to the other.
- narag 10y agoMaybe you would sound more clear if you explained what else, different from "physical" there is that conciousness, or anything else for that matter, could be attributed to.
- collyw 10y agoThat would likely be a new discovery worth a bit more than an HN post. So far the physical world is doing a damn poor job of explaining consciousness.
- catshirt 10y ago> Just because we can't figure out a physical picture of consciousness doesn't mean there isn't one. didn't Descartes try to explain this hundreds of years ago? > it is the physical part that is the big mystery, rather than the consciousness part. you say tomato, i say tomato. seems like the author is trying to mince words or use people's connotations of these words to start an argument.
- goatlover 10y agoThe author is stating that physicalism (formerly materialism) is true, however, physics fails to fully capture what it is to be physical, because it doesn't not include our experience of said physical world. Basically, our conceptual understanding is lacking. But dualists or idealists might say the same thing, so ...
- catshirt 10y ago> Basically, our conceptual understanding is lacking. But dualists or idealists might say the same thing, so ... my point exactly. :) i'm not sure whose eyes the author is trying to open.