We're talking apples vs oranges here. I'm with you - Java doesn't excel particularly on conventional PC desktop apps. But that's a world away from mobile apps.

We're talking apples vs oranges here. I'm with you - Java doesn't excel particularly on conventional PC desktop apps. But that's a world away from mobile apps. The vast majority of run-of-the-mill phones run Java J2ME apps very well. For example: http://www.jamster.com/fw/goto/games http://www.jamster.com/fw/goto/games The top games are pretty high quality. But the rant against Java fails to mention the billions of J2ME games downloaded... convenient.