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I expect anyone to be compatible with war refugees, you paraphrased my words by taking them out of the original context to that of gender discrimination. Does i

by macns 10y ago

I expect anyone to be compatible with war refugees, you paraphrased my words by taking them out of the original context to that of gender discrimination. Does it make sense to deny food or shelter to a family because of their country or religion?

duaneb 10y ago
If I took your phrase out of context, I apologize. I didn't see any context that would add to the phrase and I most likely misunderstood. Being an atheist implies a religious belief. It does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, especially not about how you view or judge their actions. I did not interpret the top-level commenter as saying that Albanians were not compatible with the refugees because of their religion, I interpreted it to mean that at the sheer volume of refugees coming through, tolerance will be strained in spite of a normally tolerant culture. In particular, I interpreted that to be a cultural issue. While culture includes religious culture, there are many other aspects you may not be comfortable with (such as female genital mutilation, which I provide as an obviously controversial, but culturally grounded, example of western intolerance). > Does it make sense to deny food or shelter to a family because of their country or religion? Of course not, but I don't see that happening here, or even generally argued for in this HN discussion. Xenophobia is a powerful force we're all familiar with on some level, and reducing it to a matter of country or religion isn't helping to understand the problems and fix them.
- macns 10y ago
  Agreed on most things you said, but: Being an atheist implies a religious belief. If I get this right, you're saying that's how religious people perceive atheists; on terms of believing, they just don't. Which is wrong, e.g I as an atheist refuse to believe, I solely rely on facts and proof. Back on topic: Being an atheist implies a religious belief. It does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, especially not about how you view or judge their actions. Let's agree for a moment that it does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, but as I said in another comment it should be easier for an atheist to not judge a refugee by his religion; his mind is free of all that.

by macns 10y ago

duaneb 10y ago

If I took your phrase out of context, I apologize. I didn't see any context that would add to the phrase and I most likely misunderstood. Being an atheist implies a religious belief. It does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, especially not about how you view or judge their actions. I did not interpret the top-level commenter as saying that Albanians were not compatible with the refugees because of their religion, I interpreted it to mean that at the sheer volume of refugees coming through, tolerance will be strained in spite of a normally tolerant culture. In particular, I interpreted that to be a cultural issue. While culture includes religious culture, there are many other aspects you may not be comfortable with (such as female genital mutilation, which I provide as an obviously controversial, but culturally grounded, example of western intolerance). > Does it make sense to deny food or shelter to a family because of their country or religion? Of course not, but I don't see that happening here, or even generally argued for in this HN discussion. Xenophobia is a powerful force we're all familiar with on some level, and reducing it to a matter of country or religion isn't helping to understand the problems and fix them.

macns 10y ago
Agreed on most things you said, but: Being an atheist implies a religious belief. If I get this right, you're saying that's how religious people perceive atheists; on terms of believing, they just don't. Which is wrong, e.g I as an atheist refuse to believe, I solely rely on facts and proof. Back on topic: Being an atheist implies a religious belief. It does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, especially not about how you view or judge their actions. Let's agree for a moment that it does not imply anything about how you view or judge other people, but as I said in another comment it should be easier for an atheist to not judge a refugee by his religion; his mind is free of all that.