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That's a pretty big stretch. Its a standard because it allows people to do things in web browsers that they can't do otherwise. Any cross platform framework can

That's a pretty big stretch. Its a standard because it allows people to do things in web browsers that they can't do otherwise. Any cross platform framework can only offer a subset of features to the developer through native toolkits. And any non-cross platform framework will always be at the hardware developers mercy. Apple is completely mistaken to be threatened by frameworks.

dirtyaura 17y ago
How is Flash a big stretch? As a cross-platform framework or as a de facto standard? Basically Flash was quickly becoming de facto way to access features that browsers couldn't access, it was a serious threat to every platform vendor, making OS commodity. HTML5 is catching up with Flash, but ain't yet there + there is inconsistency problem due to multiple browser implementations.
- greendestiny 17y ago
  Its a stretch to say its a framework, or at least it is in the context in which I meant framework. But I didn't make that clear and it seems to be too late now. For the record I think crossplatform application frameworks are unlikely to ever become de facto standards because they generally use a subset of features of the platform and non-native widgets. In fact that's Gruber's problem with them in the article - but he ignores that that should make them nothing for Apple to fear.
  - dirtyaura 17y ago
    I totally agree that cross-platform app frameworks never become de facto standards, because adding an extra layer of abstraction between native UI widget APIs usually dumbs down the user experience. However, cross-platform frameworks that don't try to replicate platform's native UI experience, have been and are successful, mainly in games. And Flash can be seen as a one and by far the most succesful contender in that space. After HTML/JS that's it.

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That's a pretty big stretch. Its a standard because it allows people to do things in web browsers that they can't do otherwise. Any cross platform framework can

by greendestiny 17y ago

dirtyaura 17y ago
How is Flash a big stretch? As a cross-platform framework or as a de facto standard? Basically Flash was quickly becoming de facto way to access features that browsers couldn't access, it was a serious threat to every platform vendor, making OS commodity. HTML5 is catching up with Flash, but ain't yet there + there is inconsistency problem due to multiple browser implementations.
- greendestiny 17y ago
  Its a stretch to say its a framework, or at least it is in the context in which I meant framework. But I didn't make that clear and it seems to be too late now. For the record I think crossplatform application frameworks are unlikely to ever become de facto standards because they generally use a subset of features of the platform and non-native widgets. In fact that's Gruber's problem with them in the article - but he ignores that that should make them nothing for Apple to fear.
  - dirtyaura 17y ago
    I totally agree that cross-platform app frameworks never become de facto standards, because adding an extra layer of abstraction between native UI widget APIs usually dumbs down the user experience. However, cross-platform frameworks that don't try to replicate platform's native UI experience, have been and are successful, mainly in games. And Flash can be seen as a one and by far the most succesful contender in that space. After HTML/JS that's it.