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We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. Whatever happens in Brexit negotiations, such people will be able to continu

We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. Whatever happens in Brexit negotiations, such people will be able to continue as if nothing happened. If they move somewhere else and then want to come back, that will make things more difficult. If this is not the case, then EU has practically reneged on everything it was standing for and I want to leave, too. And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. (Believe me I know the work permit bureaucracy in my country (Finland); I've been a hiring manager for various non-EU nationals).

Xylakant 10y ago
> We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. So authorities know he's a british national since you need to register your primary residence in germany. Unless an agreement is found that allows british nationals to stay legally, he'll have to apply for a visa. And the EU has never been standing for "Let all people work without permit", it's always been a club membership benefit. I can see that an agreement could be fund, but I also see that the British government and a large chunk of the leave voters seem hell-bent at kicking out EU nationals. That will make finding an agreement much much harder. Poland will want that as a bargain chip, they do have a significant population in the UK and they do sit at the table. > And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. Certainly - it's just going to be much harder and thus much less.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Brits won't be kicking out any Polish plumbers, either. They're people who do work and make business and it will be generally recognized a useful practise to allow them to stay. Currently, EU citizens don't need a work or residence permit, but if you actually get a job and stay longer than that, you will still need to register your right of residence. It's not really that different. And believe me, existing rights of residence will not be forfeited in case of Brexit. Shall we make a bet? I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong.
  - flubert 10y ago
    >I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong. Don't you mean 569 mL? Oh, wait, that is more subtle than at first glance...
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      I was thinking that because we talk about EU on an American forum, it'll have to be 551 ml. Well, never mind, the health nazis will have got us by the time Brexit is clear, and the beer will be non-alcoholic.
  - Symbiote 10y ago
    The difference between a work/residence permit, and merely registering ones address, is very significant. EU citizens have the right to work in other EU countries by treaty. It can only be withdrawn in exceptional cases. They can also travel to other countries to look for work, and stay for as long as they can support themselves (I think) and are looking for work. Non-EU citizens do not have the right to work in EU countries, it is only granted in (less) exceptional cases. A work/residence permit application typically requires a job offer. It can expire or be withdrawn, is often linked to a particular employer, and usually has limitations compared to EU citizens -- for example, not getting unemployment benefits, or state healthcare.

Xylakant 10y ago

> We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. So authorities know he's a british national since you need to register your primary residence in germany. Unless an agreement is found that allows british nationals to stay legally, he'll have to apply for a visa. And the EU has never been standing for "Let all people work without permit", it's always been a club membership benefit. I can see that an agreement could be fund, but I also see that the British government and a large chunk of the leave voters seem hell-bent at kicking out EU nationals. That will make finding an agreement much much harder. Poland will want that as a bargain chip, they do have a significant population in the UK and they do sit at the table. > And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. Certainly - it's just going to be much harder and thus much less.

ptaipale 10y ago
Brits won't be kicking out any Polish plumbers, either. They're people who do work and make business and it will be generally recognized a useful practise to allow them to stay. Currently, EU citizens don't need a work or residence permit, but if you actually get a job and stay longer than that, you will still need to register your right of residence. It's not really that different. And believe me, existing rights of residence will not be forfeited in case of Brexit. Shall we make a bet? I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong.
- flubert 10y ago
  >I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong. Don't you mean 569 mL? Oh, wait, that is more subtle than at first glance...
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    I was thinking that because we talk about EU on an American forum, it'll have to be 551 ml. Well, never mind, the health nazis will have got us by the time Brexit is clear, and the beer will be non-alcoholic.
- Symbiote 10y ago
  The difference between a work/residence permit, and merely registering ones address, is very significant. EU citizens have the right to work in other EU countries by treaty. It can only be withdrawn in exceptional cases. They can also travel to other countries to look for work, and stay for as long as they can support themselves (I think) and are looking for work. Non-EU citizens do not have the right to work in EU countries, it is only granted in (less) exceptional cases. A work/residence permit application typically requires a job offer. It can expire or be withdrawn, is often linked to a particular employer, and usually has limitations compared to EU citizens -- for example, not getting unemployment benefits, or state healthcare.