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Reminds me that I really need to apply to become a German national, so I can hopefully remain here without any hassle when this shit storm kicks off.

by junto 10y ago

ptaipale 10y ago
I don't see why you should. Germany has lots of foreign people living there, now even hundreds of thousands who entered illegally in the first place, and still they won't be sent away. A Brit will have no trouble there (or here, I'm in another EU country).
- Xylakant 10y ago
  Getting a work permit for a non-EU national is a hassle. We just hired a canadian and I can tell you, no employer really wants to go through this. Without a work visa no job (unless your prefer illegal jobs). You might have some luck being registered in the UK and pretending to work remotely as a freelancer, but all in all, you'll have a mess at your hands. Air travel will be risky (might need to show passport, visa), air travel to non-schengen destinations quite impossible. No proper way of getting insurance coverage. Don't get stopped by the police, don't have a car accident, no speeding, ... You certainly can sit tight and never move around - because that's what the illegals do - but I don't think you really want that.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. Whatever happens in Brexit negotiations, such people will be able to continue as if nothing happened. If they move somewhere else and then want to come back, that will make things more difficult. If this is not the case, then EU has practically reneged on everything it was standing for and I want to leave, too. And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. (Believe me I know the work permit bureaucracy in my country (Finland); I've been a hiring manager for various non-EU nationals).
    - Xylakant 10y ago
      > We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. So authorities know he's a british national since you need to register your primary residence in germany. Unless an agreement is found that allows british nationals to stay legally, he'll have to apply for a visa. And the EU has never been standing for "Let all people work without permit", it's always been a club membership benefit. I can see that an agreement could be fund, but I also see that the British government and a large chunk of the leave voters seem hell-bent at kicking out EU nationals. That will make finding an agreement much much harder. Poland will want that as a bargain chip, they do have a significant population in the UK and they do sit at the table. > And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. Certainly - it's just going to be much harder and thus much less.
      - ptaipale 10y ago
        Brits won't be kicking out any Polish plumbers, either. They're people who do work and make business and it will be generally recognized a useful practise to allow them to stay. Currently, EU citizens don't need a work or residence permit, but if you actually get a job and stay longer than that, you will still need to register your right of residence. It's not really that different. And believe me, existing rights of residence will not be forfeited in case of Brexit. Shall we make a bet? I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong.
        flubert 10y ago
        >I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong. Don't you mean 569 mL? Oh, wait, that is more subtle than at first glance...
        ptaipale 10y ago
        I was thinking that because we talk about EU on an American forum, it'll have to be 551 ml. Well, never mind, the health nazis will have got us by the time Brexit is clear, and the beer will be non-alcoholic.
        10y ago

Reminds me that I really need to apply to become a German national, so I can hopefully remain here without any hassle when this shit storm kicks off.

by junto 10y ago

Reminds me that I really need to apply to become a German national, so I can hopefully remain here without any hassle when this shit storm kicks off.

ptaipale 10y ago

I don't see why you should. Germany has lots of foreign people living there, now even hundreds of thousands who entered illegally in the first place, and still they won't be sent away. A Brit will have no trouble there (or here, I'm in another EU country).

Xylakant 10y ago
Getting a work permit for a non-EU national is a hassle. We just hired a canadian and I can tell you, no employer really wants to go through this. Without a work visa no job (unless your prefer illegal jobs). You might have some luck being registered in the UK and pretending to work remotely as a freelancer, but all in all, you'll have a mess at your hands. Air travel will be risky (might need to show passport, visa), air travel to non-schengen destinations quite impossible. No proper way of getting insurance coverage. Don't get stopped by the police, don't have a car accident, no speeding, ... You certainly can sit tight and never move around - because that's what the illegals do - but I don't think you really want that.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. Whatever happens in Brexit negotiations, such people will be able to continue as if nothing happened. If they move somewhere else and then want to come back, that will make things more difficult. If this is not the case, then EU has practically reneged on everything it was standing for and I want to leave, too. And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. (Believe me I know the work permit bureaucracy in my country (Finland); I've been a hiring manager for various non-EU nationals).
  - Xylakant 10y ago
    > We were talking about someone who already lives in Germany and has residence there. So authorities know he's a british national since you need to register your primary residence in germany. Unless an agreement is found that allows british nationals to stay legally, he'll have to apply for a visa. And the EU has never been standing for "Let all people work without permit", it's always been a club membership benefit. I can see that an agreement could be fund, but I also see that the British government and a large chunk of the leave voters seem hell-bent at kicking out EU nationals. That will make finding an agreement much much harder. Poland will want that as a bargain chip, they do have a significant population in the UK and they do sit at the table. > And even in future there will be Canadians and Brits moving to Germany. Certainly - it's just going to be much harder and thus much less.
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      Brits won't be kicking out any Polish plumbers, either. They're people who do work and make business and it will be generally recognized a useful practise to allow them to stay. Currently, EU citizens don't need a work or residence permit, but if you actually get a job and stay longer than that, you will still need to register your right of residence. It's not really that different. And believe me, existing rights of residence will not be forfeited in case of Brexit. Shall we make a bet? I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong.
      - flubert 10y ago
        >I'll offer a pint if I'm wrong. Don't you mean 569 mL? Oh, wait, that is more subtle than at first glance...
        ptaipale 10y ago
        I was thinking that because we talk about EU on an American forum, it'll have to be 551 ml. Well, never mind, the health nazis will have got us by the time Brexit is clear, and the beer will be non-alcoholic.
      - 10y ago