I don't want to argue about words :). Guilty, as in "doing bad to society" or "disobedient to the law" or "doing despite better knowledge of the contract of soc

I don't want to argue about words :). Guilty, as in "doing bad to society" or "disobedient to the law" or "doing despite better knowledge of the contract of society" is something I still could get behind, just how to react to it and what is the cause I find debatable. About the unrealistic utopia: As said, some of this is fixed in the german law. I think there is a maximum of about 25 consecutive years of jail and of course no death sentence. More jail time is only lawful as detention to protect society for which you have to be diagnosed as mentally ill (highly likely to do very bad things again). edit: actually 15 years is the german "for life" and you can't get 2x life-sentences at once, even for multiple offenses. There are just a few exceptions extending it to about 23-25 years. In the sentence that caused this law it says, that a human is nothing more than a wreck after 20 years and a longer sentence neither helps resocializing nor protecting the law and that the total psychological destruction would strip the affected of his basic human rights. (german source, no Idea how to deep-link: http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html search for "Wissenschaftliche Untersuchungen" to find the passage)