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I disagree, not necessarily with your premise (that we are 100% a product of our surroundings) but with the conclusion (that we are all innocent in all behaviou

by JadeNB 10y ago

I disagree, not necessarily with your premise (that we are 100% a product of our surroundings) but with the conclusion (that we are all innocent in all behaviour)—since, if we're all innocent, then the word (or at least the distinction between innocence and guilt) loses its meaning, and it seems like a meaning that I want to preserve. However, I like your vision even if I find it unrealistically utopian, and I upvoted you for the sentiment "No matter what you do, you deserve the right to live an OK life", which is curiously heartwarming.

anotheryou 10y ago
I don't want to argue about words :). Guilty, as in "doing bad to society" or "disobedient to the law" or "doing despite better knowledge of the contract of society" is something I still could get behind, just how to react to it and what is the cause I find debatable. About the unrealistic utopia: As said, some of this is fixed in the german law. I think there is a maximum of about 25 consecutive years of jail and of course no death sentence. More jail time is only lawful as detention to protect society for which you have to be diagnosed as mentally ill (highly likely to do very bad things again). edit: actually 15 years is the german "for life" and you can't get 2x life-sentences at once, even for multiple offenses. There are just a few exceptions extending it to about 23-25 years. In the sentence that caused this law it says, that a human is nothing more than a wreck after 20 years and a longer sentence neither helps resocializing nor protecting the law and that the total psychological destruction would strip the affected of his basic human rights. (german source, no Idea how to deep-link: http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html search for "Wissenschaftliche Untersuchungen" to find the passage)

by JadeNB 10y ago

anotheryou 10y ago

I don't want to argue about words :). Guilty, as in "doing bad to society" or "disobedient to the law" or "doing despite better knowledge of the contract of society" is something I still could get behind, just how to react to it and what is the cause I find debatable. About the unrealistic utopia: As said, some of this is fixed in the german law. I think there is a maximum of about 25 consecutive years of jail and of course no death sentence. More jail time is only lawful as detention to protect society for which you have to be diagnosed as mentally ill (highly likely to do very bad things again). edit: actually 15 years is the german "for life" and you can't get 2x life-sentences at once, even for multiple offenses. There are just a few exceptions extending it to about 23-25 years. In the sentence that caused this law it says, that a human is nothing more than a wreck after 20 years and a longer sentence neither helps resocializing nor protecting the law and that the total psychological destruction would strip the affected of his basic human rights. (german source, no Idea how to deep-link: http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html http://www.servat.unibe.ch/dfr/bv045187.html search for "Wissenschaftliche Untersuchungen" to find the passage)