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>Oh and it crashes constantly. Did I mention that it crashes constantly? Slightly tangential but do you have your MS telemetry turned off? If you do, MS doesn

>Oh and it crashes constantly. Did I mention that it crashes constantly? Slightly tangential but do you have your MS telemetry turned off? If you do, MS doesn't know you're having a problem. Those who don't vote, don't get to complain about the problems caused by not voting.

digler999 10y ago
> Those who don't vote, don't get to complain about the problems caused by not voting. Nice dichotomy there: privacy or quality. And people wonder why MS gets such a bad name. What about their "walled garden" philosophy ? All tablets/laptops are one-size-fits all, only a handful of total models exist. All MS "updates" are shoved down the users' throats. There should be no need for telemetry to detect a bad user experience. The apps are all signed, binary blobs that run in their own private, signed environment. Unless MS has no QA department, they absolutely are aware of how crappy their browser runs.
- Sylos 10y ago
  I'm pretty sure that Microsoft actually does not have a QA department. I can't seem to find a source which confirms specifically that, but after Nadella took over in 2014, he cut a bunch of jobs, which were mostly jobs from the Nokia acquisition, but he also specifically mentioned in this context that he wanted to go more into the direction of agile software development, which means no dedicated QA and rather the developers are supposed to test it as they build it. Source for that statement is in this article under "Cloud Methods", second paragraph: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-15/microsoft-said-to-announce-job-cuts-as-soon-as-this-week https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-15/microsoft...
newscracker 10y ago
> Those who don't vote, don't get to complain about the problems caused by not voting. Slightly tangential, but those who don't read and/or listen to customers' feedback on online forums and sites don't deserve to achieve widespread use. Vocal users direct first impressions with a big influence, and saying that they should have telemetry on for the problems to be heard is practically useless. If telemetry were to be absolutely important, then the release models and first time launch questions should be changed so more people can help provide technical information that may be useful. Add nightlies, alphas, betas, etc., and make telemetry prominently enabled in those. Have proper messages on the information shared, the risks on using pre-release software and a super easy way to turn telemetry off. Also have crash reporting built-in like how Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird have so users can choose whether to send it across and also see, for those who're technically inclined, what information is sent.

digler999 10y ago

> Those who don't vote, don't get to complain about the problems caused by not voting. Nice dichotomy there: privacy or quality. And people wonder why MS gets such a bad name. What about their "walled garden" philosophy ? All tablets/laptops are one-size-fits all, only a handful of total models exist. All MS "updates" are shoved down the users' throats. There should be no need for telemetry to detect a bad user experience. The apps are all signed, binary blobs that run in their own private, signed environment. Unless MS has no QA department, they absolutely are aware of how crappy their browser runs.

Sylos 10y ago
I'm pretty sure that Microsoft actually does not have a QA department. I can't seem to find a source which confirms specifically that, but after Nadella took over in 2014, he cut a bunch of jobs, which were mostly jobs from the Nokia acquisition, but he also specifically mentioned in this context that he wanted to go more into the direction of agile software development, which means no dedicated QA and rather the developers are supposed to test it as they build it. Source for that statement is in this article under "Cloud Methods", second paragraph: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-15/microsoft-said-to-announce-job-cuts-as-soon-as-this-week https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-15/microsoft...

newscracker 10y ago

> Those who don't vote, don't get to complain about the problems caused by not voting. Slightly tangential, but those who don't read and/or listen to customers' feedback on online forums and sites don't deserve to achieve widespread use. Vocal users direct first impressions with a big influence, and saying that they should have telemetry on for the problems to be heard is practically useless. If telemetry were to be absolutely important, then the release models and first time launch questions should be changed so more people can help provide technical information that may be useful. Add nightlies, alphas, betas, etc., and make telemetry prominently enabled in those. Have proper messages on the information shared, the risks on using pre-release software and a super easy way to turn telemetry off. Also have crash reporting built-in like how Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird have so users can choose whether to send it across and also see, for those who're technically inclined, what information is sent.