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Au contraire, people that know the technology and industry can see through the PR much more clearly.

by guelo 10y ago

TeMPOraL 10y ago
Bullshit. Two of the three items on the GP's list have already been done and complainers seem to be in denial about that. Startup industry is a great place to find tons of PR bullshit though, so I wonder if this isn't people projecting their own guilt...
- hueving 10y ago
  Only one has been done, building rockets. It's not safe to say he paved the way for the electric car revolution since there hasn't been one.
  - varjag 10y ago
    I dunno. There are more Teslas than Fords around here. Perhaps the revolution is not evenly distributed.
    - astazangasta 10y ago
      The income is not evenly distributed.
      - varjag 10y ago
        That can't be the reason on the national level. People used to buy plenty of Fords.
        dpark 10y ago
        People still buy plenty of Fords. Far, far more Fords than Teslas. What are you taking about?
        varjag 10y ago
        Not in my country.
        dpark 10y ago
        Where exactly do you live? A quick search indicates that Tesla is outselling Ford in Norway. If you live in Norway, then astazangasta is correct and you're looking at a symptom of income inequality. Norway is rather wealthy even by Western standards. Tesla has done a great job of dressing up a status symbol as an environmentally friendly choice. (Or vice versa.) If you look at the poorer citizens in your country, you'll likely find no Teslas, and few electric cars in general.
        varjag 10y ago
        Yes it's Norway, and no, while poorer people (like me) don't drive Teslas - they drive Leafs or e-Golfs, so I maintain it has nothing to do with inequality. Nobody buy Fords because they don't have a viable EV offering on the market. Norwegians aren't really wealthier than say Danes, who have very different outcome of EV market so far due to very different policies. Nobody I know here bought a petrol car last two years; one got a plug-in hybrid. Tesla is hardly a status symbol here, it attracts customers both from the middle and luxury segments. People who in the past would consider Audi A5 or Volvo X70 would go for Tesla. The economics for electric cars are simply much better.
        dpark 10y ago
        "Poor" is relative since apparently workers in Norway earn more per capita than any other nation. A quick search indicates you guys earn something like 55% more than workers in France or Britain. So you could feel pretty poor relative to your neighbors and still bring in significantly more than the average in even affluent countries. A quick search also indicates that your gas is 25% more expensive than France or Britain, and more importantly that your electric car incentives are so absurd that your politicians are beginning to roll them back. No taxes, no tolls, no ferry charges, no parking fees, free use of bus lanes. Electric cars there are cheaper than equivalent gas powered cars, because the taxes are ~50% of the cost. Yeah, with incentives like that, I'd probably own an electric car, too. I'm not sure this counts as an electric car revolution so much as a government handout, though. If the government subsidized 50% of the price of Fords, you'd probably see their sales skyrocket but no one would really call that a revolution. Tesla is definitely a status symbol, though. The fact that Audi drivers moved to Tesla didn't dispute that because Audi is also a status symbol. Volvo to a lesser extent.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Don't look at the puck's position, look at the first derivative.
    - idlewords 10y ago
      And make sure there's ice
    - dredmorbius 10y ago
      Last time I checked, not only were the number of EVs produced and sold in the US minuscule, but the derivative was negative. I don't recall the precise year, probably 2013-2014, but fewer cars were sold in the second than the first. I can't locate the post presently, and don't know how trends have progressed. The statistic surprised me when I found it.
- tonyedgecombe 10y ago
  "Bullshit" That was rather rude.
Gargoyle 10y ago
Or at least know how to feed their own egos with self-serving "insights".
untilHellbanned 10y ago
Exactly. He sucks up airtime for quieter, likely superior approaches in other or the same areas. It's anger not envy. What's the point of Wired interviewing Elon Musk for the 10,000th time? There are so many people doing so much good stuff out there. Finding them isn't hard. They are on the internet too.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  > What's the point of Wired interviewing Elon Musk for the 10,000th time? Ad money, like with all publishing. If they actually cared about providing useful content to people, they'd seek out those quieter ones and interview them too. Don't blame Elon for the market actors that want to earn money off his fanbase. Blame those market actors instead.
  - dorgo 10y ago
    blame the fanbase

Au contraire, people that know the technology and industry can see through the PR much more clearly.

by guelo 10y ago

Au contraire, people that know the technology and industry can see through the PR much more clearly.

Bullshit. Two of the three items on the GP's list have already been done and complainers seem to be in denial about that. Startup industry is a great place to find tons of PR bullshit though, so I wonder if this isn't people projecting their own guilt...

hueving 10y ago
Only one has been done, building rockets. It's not safe to say he paved the way for the electric car revolution since there hasn't been one.
- varjag 10y ago
  I dunno. There are more Teslas than Fords around here. Perhaps the revolution is not evenly distributed.
  - astazangasta 10y ago
    The income is not evenly distributed.
    - varjag 10y ago
      That can't be the reason on the national level. People used to buy plenty of Fords.
      - dpark 10y ago
        People still buy plenty of Fords. Far, far more Fords than Teslas. What are you taking about?
        varjag 10y ago
        Not in my country.
        dpark 10y ago
        Where exactly do you live? A quick search indicates that Tesla is outselling Ford in Norway. If you live in Norway, then astazangasta is correct and you're looking at a symptom of income inequality. Norway is rather wealthy even by Western standards. Tesla has done a great job of dressing up a status symbol as an environmentally friendly choice. (Or vice versa.) If you look at the poorer citizens in your country, you'll likely find no Teslas, and few electric cars in general.
        varjag 10y ago
        Yes it's Norway, and no, while poorer people (like me) don't drive Teslas - they drive Leafs or e-Golfs, so I maintain it has nothing to do with inequality. Nobody buy Fords because they don't have a viable EV offering on the market. Norwegians aren't really wealthier than say Danes, who have very different outcome of EV market so far due to very different policies. Nobody I know here bought a petrol car last two years; one got a plug-in hybrid. Tesla is hardly a status symbol here, it attracts customers both from the middle and luxury segments. People who in the past would consider Audi A5 or Volvo X70 would go for Tesla. The economics for electric cars are simply much better.
        dpark 10y ago
        "Poor" is relative since apparently workers in Norway earn more per capita than any other nation. A quick search indicates you guys earn something like 55% more than workers in France or Britain. So you could feel pretty poor relative to your neighbors and still bring in significantly more than the average in even affluent countries. A quick search also indicates that your gas is 25% more expensive than France or Britain, and more importantly that your electric car incentives are so absurd that your politicians are beginning to roll them back. No taxes, no tolls, no ferry charges, no parking fees, free use of bus lanes. Electric cars there are cheaper than equivalent gas powered cars, because the taxes are ~50% of the cost. Yeah, with incentives like that, I'd probably own an electric car, too. I'm not sure this counts as an electric car revolution so much as a government handout, though. If the government subsidized 50% of the price of Fords, you'd probably see their sales skyrocket but no one would really call that a revolution. Tesla is definitely a status symbol, though. The fact that Audi drivers moved to Tesla didn't dispute that because Audi is also a status symbol. Volvo to a lesser extent.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Don't look at the puck's position, look at the first derivative.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    And make sure there's ice
  - dredmorbius 10y ago
    Last time I checked, not only were the number of EVs produced and sold in the US minuscule, but the derivative was negative. I don't recall the precise year, probably 2013-2014, but fewer cars were sold in the second than the first. I can't locate the post presently, and don't know how trends have progressed. The statistic surprised me when I found it.
tonyedgecombe 10y ago
"Bullshit" That was rather rude.

Gargoyle 10y ago

Or at least know how to feed their own egos with self-serving "insights".

untilHellbanned 10y ago

Exactly. He sucks up airtime for quieter, likely superior approaches in other or the same areas. It's anger not envy. What's the point of Wired interviewing Elon Musk for the 10,000th time? There are so many people doing so much good stuff out there. Finding them isn't hard. They are on the internet too.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
> What's the point of Wired interviewing Elon Musk for the 10,000th time? Ad money, like with all publishing. If they actually cared about providing useful content to people, they'd seek out those quieter ones and interview them too. Don't blame Elon for the market actors that want to earn money off his fanbase. Blame those market actors instead.
- dorgo 10y ago
  blame the fanbase