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In my opinion, kube-up and other kubernetes-specific provisioning helpers were created with the goal of letting people of varying backgrounds to complete numero

In my opinion, kube-up and other kubernetes-specific provisioning helpers were created with the goal of letting people of varying backgrounds to complete numerous Quick Starts and tutorials with minimal pre-requisites. They make no assumptions about user's expertise in system administration. For production use, you should definitely embrace the tooling you have already invested in and make Kubernetes a part of it. How else would you integrate it with your existing identity management, monitoring, storage/backups, etc. I am no expert in Salt, but I'm assuming Ansible (my choice) is similar, then yes: building a solid set of Salt recipes would be my recommendation, or just hire us: we'll install and manage hundreds of clusters for you, one for each engineer, even. ;)

sidegrid 10y ago
or just hire us :)
- MattRogish 10y ago
  We start from kops, but tweak it. Kops is great, except it's not integrated into the rest of your VPC etc. as 'old-gregg' suggests. Or you could hire us, too. We do consulting/kube-as-a-service for folks in AWS/GKE :D (https://www.reactiveops.com https://www.reactiveops.com).
  - sandGorgon 10y ago
    we had taken this conversation to mail, but this is what I wrote: its an ecosystem question. Docker became wildly successful because a developer could start using it in production within minutes. In early stage startups there is NO difference between developers and devops. All of these developers who deployed their MVP apps on docker (like me) are the ones who are starting to pay for services like Codeship, etc. We have grown with the Docker ecosystem. The question is whether k8s is giving us that flexibility ? I dont see that. For example, the next easy step up for people is Docker-compose: single host.. many services. And that gradually extends to docker-swarm. Lot of people say I "don't need k8s for 3 node cluster", but I'm still stuck...because I need to do something. So I have to use docker compose. And then I'm solidly locked into the docker ecosystem. That's the problem - your value prop is great when someone has 100 clusters... But I'm asking you from an ecosystem perspective : how will you make sure someone like me will choose k8s at some point in the future, when it is unusable for me right now ? Or do you believe that k8s is so vastly superior to anything else out there, that when I scale up enough... I will have no choice but to move to it (and then call you for help)

sidegrid 10y ago

or just hire us :)

MattRogish 10y ago
We start from kops, but tweak it. Kops is great, except it's not integrated into the rest of your VPC etc. as 'old-gregg' suggests. Or you could hire us, too. We do consulting/kube-as-a-service for folks in AWS/GKE :D (https://www.reactiveops.com https://www.reactiveops.com).
- sandGorgon 10y ago
  we had taken this conversation to mail, but this is what I wrote: its an ecosystem question. Docker became wildly successful because a developer could start using it in production within minutes. In early stage startups there is NO difference between developers and devops. All of these developers who deployed their MVP apps on docker (like me) are the ones who are starting to pay for services like Codeship, etc. We have grown with the Docker ecosystem. The question is whether k8s is giving us that flexibility ? I dont see that. For example, the next easy step up for people is Docker-compose: single host.. many services. And that gradually extends to docker-swarm. Lot of people say I "don't need k8s for 3 node cluster", but I'm still stuck...because I need to do something. So I have to use docker compose. And then I'm solidly locked into the docker ecosystem. That's the problem - your value prop is great when someone has 100 clusters... But I'm asking you from an ecosystem perspective : how will you make sure someone like me will choose k8s at some point in the future, when it is unusable for me right now ? Or do you believe that k8s is so vastly superior to anything else out there, that when I scale up enough... I will have no choice but to move to it (and then call you for help)