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See also the fatal crash in China just popped up today ( crash is from january ) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12504888 https://news.ycombinator.com/it

• TeeWEE 10y ago
  Wow is it me, or is that cleaning-car on the far-left lane of the highway not being very dangerous by cleaning there with such a slow speed? In the Netherlands the whole lane would be dis-allowed to drive on if there was work going on there.
  • the-dude 10y ago
    Maybe it was dis-allowed to drive ... the video does not make this clear. Or better, I do not speak Chinese.
  • sixseven 10y ago
    Any slow moving vehicle on a high way is a hazard to other vehicles. Maybe that's a normal thing in China, but definitely not in Toronto. Judging from the video, the warning light from the cleaning truck was not sufficient even for human driver.
  • whamlastxmas 10y ago
    Extremely dangerous. In the US there are entire convoys with giant flashing lights and crash barricades attached to the rear of work vehicles. They'd be blocking the entire left lane. This is a bigger failure for safety standards in China than it is a failing of Tesla. The rear-end collisions like this happen all the time without autopilot.
• wccrawford 10y ago
  Wow, the autopilot failed spectacularly there. This really is something that is should have caught, IMO. It doesn't even seem to have tried to avoid it, even once it got very close. Even if you consider it a co-pilot, unless someone is paying as much attention as if they were really driving and was right in position to take control, I don't think they could have done much to mitigate this. At best, they might have jerked the car into the next lane, but even that could cause a fatal crash of that car or surrounding cars.
  • spuz 10y ago
    There's no evidence that Autopilot was enabled. It won't perform any avoiding action if it is not enabled.
    • the-dude 10y ago
      There is no evidence that Autopilot was disabled either.
      • Cshelton 10y ago
        No. But it is misleading for media to report "autopilot" caused a crash when we don't know yet.
        • the-dude 10y ago
          Which media did ?
        • whamlastxmas 10y ago
          They did the same thing when a woman plowed into the side of the building at 30MPH. Obviously Tesla said it wasn't enabled, but reporters didn't wait to hear back from Tesla.
  • mikeash 10y ago
    Inability to reliably detect completely stationary objects is a known and documented deficiency of the system. Not making excuses, just saying it's not a big surprise. My experience with the system is that it actually allows you to be more aware of things like this, because you can devote all of your attention to scanning the road far ahead, instead of switching between the distance and nearby details like where you are relative to the lines. However, that requires using the system in a way that understands and accommodates its limitations, which not everybody does.
    • efraim 10y ago
      Then they should really design the system with the limitations in mind so that it can only be used like that. It seems like it allows for too much time without hands on the wheel with only a warning that can be ignored.