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see damian2000's comment. It appears to be real. I copy paste the url from damian2000's comment here for you convenience: https://snob.ru/selected/entry/45522

see damian2000's comment. It appears to be real. I copy paste the url from damian2000's comment here for you convenience: https://snob.ru/selected/entry/45522 https://snob.ru/selected/entry/45522

vincnetas 10y ago
What makes you think that it's real. It's just the same text in russian language... With no references to the study or whatever... With ending like "А что вы об этом думаете?" meaning "And what do you think about this?"
- paradite 10y ago
  The author herself replied to the comments on that page. It is the same person that has published several books on child psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Murashova/e/B00MWS9SN8 https://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Murashova/e/B00MWS9SN8 http://www.samokatbook.ru/files/Samokat_catalogue2008.pdf http://www.samokatbook.ru/files/Samokat_catalogue2008.pdf Edit: Seems like you are questioning if the author actually carried out the experiment that she claimed. In that case there is indeed no proof or cross-reference available.
- acqq 10y ago
  It's the text signed by the named author, it's not some retelling, and it's from 2012. It's imaginable that it was included in some of her books afterwards. She still writes regularly online: https://snob.ru/profile/5591/blog https://snob.ru/profile/5591/blog She also blogged about the continuation of her experiment here (2014): https://snob.ru/selected/entry/79799 https://snob.ru/selected/entry/79799 2016 and it comes to the English-speaking media, here Feb 2016, where the New Paper from Singapore tried to reproduce the experiment: http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/what-happens-when-5-students-spend-8-hours-without-internet http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/what-happens-when-5-st...
  - RubyPinch 10y ago
    It still bothers me. I don't know whether I just don't understand the differences in culture (between theirs and mine), or whether I can't remember how I used to socialize back in my high-school days, but the reactions always seems a bit excessive. I wonder if perhaps misdirection would change things? "You have 8 hours of this remaining" would make one very conscious of the experiment, and when it finishes.
    - AstralStorm 10y ago
      Or make the experiment more extensive, more teens, say a month long. First day of new environment is often the hardest. They'd know if the experiment is misdesigned if they cannot envision teens staying sane for this long.
  - gus_massa 10y ago
    It's interesting to read about the reproduction of the experiment. Some takeaways: * The number is low, only five, but I think it's enough for an informal experiment of a newspaper (not a peer review article) * They don't have a control group. What happens if you must log all your activities for 8 hours and feel that someone is looking over your shoulder? (Can you be with your SO?) * It's not a 100% reproduction. It's nice that here the children were allowed to talk with families/friends, instead of being forced to be alone or with unknown people. * No suicidal thought. Perhaps the problem with the other experiments was the isolation? Did the subjects in the other experiment have suicidal though before the experiment? Was the suicidal part exaggerated? For example: - "Do you think that you can survive one week in the conditions of this experiment?" "No, I'd kill myself. (as a figure of speech) [1]" - "Did you think about suicide?" "No" "Not even a little?" "No" "Not even for one moment?" "OK, whatever, perhaps only once." * I think that an important quote is: > "When I wanted to play the guitar, I didn't have my phone to search for new chords. Luckily I had some chords printed out already," she said. Perhaps doing a two hour rehearsal and repeating the experiment one week after will remove most of the problems due to the lack of preparation. It's like trying to go to a camping without previous experience. You will put the cans, but forget the can opener. (Been there, done that.) [1] I'm a native Spanish speaker, so I don't know the exact idiom in English. In Spanish from Argentina we sometime use phrases like "Cuando se me cayo el florero me quiería morir." -> "When I drop accidentally the flower pot, I wanted to be dead." but everybody understand that it's a figure of speech and not a real suicidal feeling. I'm not sure how to translate the exact feeling with the right idiom to English. I even had to add the word "accidentally" to the transition to make the first part of the sentence clear.
cosarara97 10y ago
That's the same article in Russian, so just as trustworthy.
YungLean 10y ago
that's just the same article except in russian, it's super fake.

see damian2000's comment. It appears to be real. I copy paste the url from damian2000's comment here for you convenience: https://snob.ru/selected/entry/45522 https://snob.ru/selected/entry/45522

vincnetas 10y ago

What makes you think that it's real. It's just the same text in russian language... With no references to the study or whatever... With ending like "А что вы об этом думаете?" meaning "And what do you think about this?"

paradite 10y ago
The author herself replied to the comments on that page. It is the same person that has published several books on child psychology: https://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Murashova/e/B00MWS9SN8 https://www.amazon.com/Ekaterina-Murashova/e/B00MWS9SN8 http://www.samokatbook.ru/files/Samokat_catalogue2008.pdf http://www.samokatbook.ru/files/Samokat_catalogue2008.pdf Edit: Seems like you are questioning if the author actually carried out the experiment that she claimed. In that case there is indeed no proof or cross-reference available.
acqq 10y ago
It's the text signed by the named author, it's not some retelling, and it's from 2012. It's imaginable that it was included in some of her books afterwards. She still writes regularly online: https://snob.ru/profile/5591/blog https://snob.ru/profile/5591/blog She also blogged about the continuation of her experiment here (2014): https://snob.ru/selected/entry/79799 https://snob.ru/selected/entry/79799 2016 and it comes to the English-speaking media, here Feb 2016, where the New Paper from Singapore tried to reproduce the experiment: http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/what-happens-when-5-students-spend-8-hours-without-internet http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore-news/what-happens-when-5-st...
- RubyPinch 10y ago
  It still bothers me. I don't know whether I just don't understand the differences in culture (between theirs and mine), or whether I can't remember how I used to socialize back in my high-school days, but the reactions always seems a bit excessive. I wonder if perhaps misdirection would change things? "You have 8 hours of this remaining" would make one very conscious of the experiment, and when it finishes.
  - AstralStorm 10y ago
    Or make the experiment more extensive, more teens, say a month long. First day of new environment is often the hardest. They'd know if the experiment is misdesigned if they cannot envision teens staying sane for this long.
- gus_massa 10y ago
  It's interesting to read about the reproduction of the experiment. Some takeaways: * The number is low, only five, but I think it's enough for an informal experiment of a newspaper (not a peer review article) * They don't have a control group. What happens if you must log all your activities for 8 hours and feel that someone is looking over your shoulder? (Can you be with your SO?) * It's not a 100% reproduction. It's nice that here the children were allowed to talk with families/friends, instead of being forced to be alone or with unknown people. * No suicidal thought. Perhaps the problem with the other experiments was the isolation? Did the subjects in the other experiment have suicidal though before the experiment? Was the suicidal part exaggerated? For example: - "Do you think that you can survive one week in the conditions of this experiment?" "No, I'd kill myself. (as a figure of speech) [1]" - "Did you think about suicide?" "No" "Not even a little?" "No" "Not even for one moment?" "OK, whatever, perhaps only once." * I think that an important quote is: > "When I wanted to play the guitar, I didn't have my phone to search for new chords. Luckily I had some chords printed out already," she said. Perhaps doing a two hour rehearsal and repeating the experiment one week after will remove most of the problems due to the lack of preparation. It's like trying to go to a camping without previous experience. You will put the cans, but forget the can opener. (Been there, done that.) [1] I'm a native Spanish speaker, so I don't know the exact idiom in English. In Spanish from Argentina we sometime use phrases like "Cuando se me cayo el florero me quiería morir." -> "When I drop accidentally the flower pot, I wanted to be dead." but everybody understand that it's a figure of speech and not a real suicidal feeling. I'm not sure how to translate the exact feeling with the right idiom to English. I even had to add the word "accidentally" to the transition to make the first part of the sentence clear.

cosarara97 10y ago

That's the same article in Russian, so just as trustworthy.

YungLean 10y ago

that's just the same article except in russian, it's super fake.