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They have some good videos available. The biggest concern for me, a user considering frameworks is always: 'how long are these guys going to be around'

by rrhyne 17y ago

tolmasky 17y ago
The only videos I found were the screencasts on the bottom. While fine, these only demonstrate basic features, features that again are available pretty much across the board. What I want to see is them putting together this Mail app from scratch, lets have a real start and a real goal. Now, I know many frameworks don't do this, but thats precisely why it would be a huge win to have. Even we don't do this as well as we should. Now, if the reply to this is "but the video would take 10 hours!", then unless your counting time to make the art in photoshop, there's a serious problem. If I were to do a screencast of making that Mail.app interface in Cocoa, it would literally be 10-20 minutes max. Its honestly just drag and dropping the components in in Interface Builder, then setting up the bindings and data sources.
- sant0sk1 17y ago
  Actually, that'd be a nice screencast to put on cappuccino.org. Perhaps worth the time/effort..
boucher 17y ago
For the most part, open source makes the irrelevant. Not that we are going anywhere, but if we dropped off the face of the planet tomorrow, Cappuccino would go on. We already have a thriving community of contributors and users who rely on Cappuccino for their own businesses, many of whom are more than capable of continuing the frameworks development.
- papertiger 17y ago
  I don't think open source makes that consideration irrelevant. It is an important factor when choosing a framework. I would bet that most of the users and probably a good portion of the contributors are using a framework precisely because it saves them from spending the time to develop/maintain those features on their own. Cappuccino would go on, but one must acknowledge that it could certainly flounder without the solid direction, organization, and vision that brought it into the world in the first place.

They have some good videos available. The biggest concern for me, a user considering frameworks is always: 'how long are these guys going to be around'

by rrhyne 17y ago

They have some good videos available. The biggest concern for me, a user considering frameworks is always: 'how long are these guys going to be around'

tolmasky 17y ago

The only videos I found were the screencasts on the bottom. While fine, these only demonstrate basic features, features that again are available pretty much across the board. What I want to see is them putting together this Mail app from scratch, lets have a real start and a real goal. Now, I know many frameworks don't do this, but thats precisely why it would be a huge win to have. Even we don't do this as well as we should. Now, if the reply to this is "but the video would take 10 hours!", then unless your counting time to make the art in photoshop, there's a serious problem. If I were to do a screencast of making that Mail.app interface in Cocoa, it would literally be 10-20 minutes max. Its honestly just drag and dropping the components in in Interface Builder, then setting up the bindings and data sources.

sant0sk1 17y ago
Actually, that'd be a nice screencast to put on cappuccino.org. Perhaps worth the time/effort..

boucher 17y ago

For the most part, open source makes the irrelevant. Not that we are going anywhere, but if we dropped off the face of the planet tomorrow, Cappuccino would go on. We already have a thriving community of contributors and users who rely on Cappuccino for their own businesses, many of whom are more than capable of continuing the frameworks development.

papertiger 17y ago
I don't think open source makes that consideration irrelevant. It is an important factor when choosing a framework. I would bet that most of the users and probably a good portion of the contributors are using a framework precisely because it saves them from spending the time to develop/maintain those features on their own. Cappuccino would go on, but one must acknowledge that it could certainly flounder without the solid direction, organization, and vision that brought it into the world in the first place.