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What about the part where we stop buying products with integrated cameras? What about the part where we stop buying devices that we have seeemingly no hope of

What about the part where we stop buying products with integrated cameras? What about the part where we stop buying devices that we have seeemingly no hope of control over? What about that? Is boycott a word too strong? Gee, you're right. We should all just give up, and accept that what we're sold, is that which we must buy.

deathanatos 10y ago
I think you're being a bit quick to judge people here… Having an integrated camera is obviously a lot easier to deal with, logistically, than lugging along an external USB camera. I think a lot of the people here would love to have hardware-level kill switches for their video camera. And mic. And WiFi. (I would; I used to own a Thinkpad with a hardware kill switch for WiFi. It was useful, even aside from the privacy benefits.)
- orthogon 10y ago
  I think you're neglecting a key detail: alternatives are hardly even on the shelves, and NO ONE QUESTIONS IT. > Oh, well, that's just supply and demand, of course! > Everyone just WANTS an always on internet connection! > Why would anyone ever remove the battery from their cell phone??? > It's more cost effective to build the device like that. Common sense! > Everyone wants a unique identifier, GPS and 911 service. It's safer! Yup, no one would ever want things any other way. It's silly to question why the invisible hand of the market works as it does.
  - derogator 10y ago
    The really amazing part about the downvotes here, is that HN is unable to reconcile the realities of mass surveillance that tend to conflict with profit motives, and yet the collective overtone of HN professes itself to be a bastion of progressive futurist space exploring tranhumanism. Few seem to notice the cognitive dissonance. Sort of a cruel prank. Those in the best position to release the yoke, are only motivated to tighten it.
- GarrisonPrime 10y ago
  I would trust a physical sliding camera cover a lot more than some internal "trust us, the hardware kill switch works" kind of production. Although, I suppose if they were lying about such a thing it would become obvious quite quickly when someone takes it apart, and the PR shitstorm would be popcorn-tastic.

deathanatos 10y ago

I think you're being a bit quick to judge people here… Having an integrated camera is obviously a lot easier to deal with, logistically, than lugging along an external USB camera. I think a lot of the people here would love to have hardware-level kill switches for their video camera. And mic. And WiFi. (I would; I used to own a Thinkpad with a hardware kill switch for WiFi. It was useful, even aside from the privacy benefits.)

orthogon 10y ago
I think you're neglecting a key detail: alternatives are hardly even on the shelves, and NO ONE QUESTIONS IT. > Oh, well, that's just supply and demand, of course! > Everyone just WANTS an always on internet connection! > Why would anyone ever remove the battery from their cell phone??? > It's more cost effective to build the device like that. Common sense! > Everyone wants a unique identifier, GPS and 911 service. It's safer! Yup, no one would ever want things any other way. It's silly to question why the invisible hand of the market works as it does.
- derogator 10y ago
  The really amazing part about the downvotes here, is that HN is unable to reconcile the realities of mass surveillance that tend to conflict with profit motives, and yet the collective overtone of HN professes itself to be a bastion of progressive futurist space exploring tranhumanism. Few seem to notice the cognitive dissonance. Sort of a cruel prank. Those in the best position to release the yoke, are only motivated to tighten it.
GarrisonPrime 10y ago
I would trust a physical sliding camera cover a lot more than some internal "trust us, the hardware kill switch works" kind of production. Although, I suppose if they were lying about such a thing it would become obvious quite quickly when someone takes it apart, and the PR shitstorm would be popcorn-tastic.