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I also went to the University of Minnesota...same story. That being said - do you remember those ads on daytime TV for ITT Technical Institute? Well it turns

I also went to the University of Minnesota...same story. That being said - do you remember those ads on daytime TV for ITT Technical Institute? Well it turns out that they shut that school down last month, for basically being a fraud school. The people who went to that school still owe federal debt. So, it's more complicated than that. Also, by saying, "dead average intellect and dead average work ethic," I think you're building a construct, which doesn't really exist. There are all sorts of reasons why people may have chosen a place like ITTTI - desperation, a family to support, lack of a proper background information on what education can do, lack of information, etc. You and I are lucky. Also, if you were presumably white, let's keep in mind that there is a massive educational gap in the Twin Cities...the largest in the nation. So we can get on our moral John Lockeian high horse about how responsible we are, talk about property rights, etc, but there have been many injustices perpetrated in all sorts of directions in the past, and we have a duty as members of society to improve that society, by whatever means make the most sense. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Technical_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITT_Technical_Institute

jknoepfler 10y ago
I think you're absolutely right. I was trying to craft my suggestions in such a way that we discourage fraudulent lending and provide (publicly, not privately) insurance against not being able to pay future education debts because of circumstances outside our control. I want to increase the odds that someone who is willing and able can work their way to where they want to be, and decrease the odds that fortune dictates who wins and who loses. (I vehemently support leveling the funding playing field for primary and secondary public schools in Minnesota and dramatically increasing funding for schools in poorer neighborhoods; also providing credits for child care, preschool, public transportation, and safer streets. What I object to is the idea that someone should go to Macalester College, get a degree in Psychology with a C+ average, then complain because they aren't handed a job with a wage high enough to cover $100k in student loans).

jknoepfler 10y ago

I think you're absolutely right. I was trying to craft my suggestions in such a way that we discourage fraudulent lending and provide (publicly, not privately) insurance against not being able to pay future education debts because of circumstances outside our control. I want to increase the odds that someone who is willing and able can work their way to where they want to be, and decrease the odds that fortune dictates who wins and who loses. (I vehemently support leveling the funding playing field for primary and secondary public schools in Minnesota and dramatically increasing funding for schools in poorer neighborhoods; also providing credits for child care, preschool, public transportation, and safer streets. What I object to is the idea that someone should go to Macalester College, get a degree in Psychology with a C+ average, then complain because they aren't handed a job with a wage high enough to cover $100k in student loans).