>This is not a real scenario. Virtually no one's education is funded by direct loans from wealthy individuals. Student loans are issued by banks. Where exactly

>This is not a real scenario. Virtually no one's education is funded by direct loans from wealthy individuals. Student loans are issued by banks. Where exactly do the banks obtain the capital which funds their balance sheet? From something other than individuals with investable (deposits/debt/equity) funds? > This model of banking assumes a fixed monetary supply, which is not the case. Banks literally create money when they issue loans. If they didn't, the monetary supply would be fixed except in rare instances where the Fed creates money ex nihilo. As you are doubtless aware, the money supply fluctuates constantly. Where you imagine those fluctuations in supply come from? The article I linked from the Bank of England also covered this, in bold, at the beginning. "Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money." Indeed, if a bank makes a loan on its own book then there's a credit in the deposits account and a debit in the loans account. This has created commercial bank money. It's part of the M1 monetary aggregate. Now as for the creation of high powered central bank money, I'll point you to the Federal Reserve Balance Sheet[0] where you can see that the Fed has created "around" 2.5 trillion dollars "ex nihilo" since 2008. Literally, they have printed that much money (it's reserve balances, but I'm sure the member banks could cash them in for physical if they asked Janet nicely). Now you might be surprised that the Fed (and other central banks) create money every single day. They also destroy it too. They do this by buying and selling securities which expand or contract their balance sheet. > Deposits in this context are money. Loans are not. The bank gives you a loan for $100k. This creates an asset and a liability. (Double entry accounting is still mercifully intact.) The $100k sitting in your account now is literally money. You can spend it, transfer it, withdraw it, roll around on the floor in it, whatever you like. It's money. The $100k loan the bank marks down as an asset is not money. It can't be spent, only paid back. It can't be withdrawn, only sold. If the bank creates a $100k loan "out of thin air" how can you withdraw it or roll around the floor in it? Do they print it out on notes which have the bank's name and logo on them? > The fixed supply model of banking is intuitive but it's also insufficient describe how modern banking actually works. Everyone agrees that monetary supply is not fixed. I'm not sure anyone ever said the money supply is fixed? That would be really problematic. The money supply changes by the second, you can see weekly numbers displaying fluctuations in central bank money and commercial bank money (ie: M0/M1/M2 etc) at the St Louis Fed[1]. It would be pretty weird for there to be a fixed money supply (even on the gold standard, after loss and destruction of the metal there's a ~3% annual expansion in supply iirc). > I don't know what percentage of Chase's capital comes in the form of deposits. 54% in 2015[2]. Where do you think they get the rest of their capital? And how much would they have to pay for it? > You're forgetting that the Fed pays 0.5% on reserves, which covers that $4000 cost. Obviously breaking even still isn't a functioning business strategy. The point is that banks do not have to lend every dollar possible in order to be profitable, not even close. So depositing money with the Fed isn't lending it? Does that mean it doesn't show up on the left side of a bank's balance sheet? > I'll decline to mock up a balance sheet for you. I'm not denying double entry accounting. You'd be amazed at how simple it makes a discussion when you have a balance sheet and income statement. There's no conjecture, it's just facts. And thanks for the in depth debate! It's been a while since I TA'd this stuff in college. [0]: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WRESBAL https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WRESBAL [1]: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/categories/25 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/categories/25 [2]: http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/jpm/financials/balance-sheet http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/jpm/financials/ba...