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WikiLeaks’ New Guccifer 2.0 Leaks Reveal Obama Sold Off Public Offices to Donors

40 points by mysticlabs 10y ago

pbarnes_1 10y ago
LOL, Observer.com. This paper is actually run by Donald Trump's son-in-law.
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  Interesting. But as it Wikileaks doing the releasing and the Observer is merely reporting said release, how does it make the leaked material any less damning?
  - mysticlabs 10y ago
    It doesn't. Almost all major main stream media corporations actively participate in spreading propaganda, manufactured narratives, and censorship. There is no such thing as a non-bias news source anymore. What does matter is the content of the leaks. Everything else is a distraction.
    - drivingmenuts 10y ago
      > What does matter is the content of the leaks. Which is then subject to interpretation thru the bias of the observer. It's Benghazi all over again, or just business as usual, or not a problem at all, depending on your internal narrative.
- mysticlabs 10y ago
  Would you prefer the Clinton News Network instead? http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks/index.html?sr=twCNN091416guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks0635PMVODtopLink&linkId=28784077 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democrat...
  - undersuit 10y ago
    >"The documents also include memos from Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine's time as governor of Virginia revealing his tech initiatives, as well as DNC donor information, voter outreach data and redistricting proposals. However, this batch doesn't appear to have any damaging emails regarding the DNC. This is the latest attack from the hacker..." Get a little positive plug for Kaine, downplay, downplay, and trust us there is nothing in here. Pivot back to the atrocious, still-possibly Russian hacker. Nice.
    - loader 10y ago
      "Interim DNC Chair Donna Brazile warned in a statement against downloading the data because it could contain "malware," ... and don't go looking at the data yourself to see what's really in there.
- khattam 10y ago
  That's good. It makes them more likely to cover the leaks correctly... unlike those who take commands from the DNC: https://imgur.com/UTq0S95 https://imgur.com/UTq0S95
vannevar 10y ago
From the article, it doesn't appear there were any new revelations in the documents at all, just an internally-produced summary of information that was already public (ie, the past political donations of various appointees). Am I missing something?
- mysticlabs 10y ago
  The main thing is the pay-to-play donations for appointment of government positions. For example, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009. I don't believe this was well known before these leaks. I still have yet to go through all the data, but supposedly theres a lot of data having to do with the data structure of how the DNC moved data around. This includes voter data, which was possibly used to manipulate the primaries in favor of Clinton and away from Sanders. More analysis is needed at this point, and it is likely more info will be revealed as people sift through everything.
  - vannevar 10y ago
    For example, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009. Nothing in the documents proves this. It only shows what we already know, which is that in any administration, there is a correlation between donations and appointments. What you would need is a written communication prior to the donation requesting or offering the appointment in exchange. That would be evidence. This is nothing.
  - jljljl 10y ago
    From his Wikipedia page: Genachowski was on the staffs of the Select Committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair and then U.S. Representative Chuck Schumer.[10] In 1994 FCC Chairman Reed Hundt hired him as a senior legal advisor; he was chief counsel 1996-1997.[11] For Senator Barack Obama's 2008 Presidential Campaign, Genachowski was Chairperson of the Technology, Media and Telecommunications Policy Working Group, which created the Obama Technology and Innovation Plan.[15] He also advised and guided the Campaign’s innovative use of technology and the Internet for grassroots engagement and participation. After the November election, he co-led the Technology, Innovation, and Government Reform Group for President-Elect Obama's Transition Team.[16] On January 12, 2009, several news outlets reported that Genachowski would be President-Elect Obama's choice to head the FCC. This was confirmed by a press release on March 3, 2009.[17] This isn't just some rando who donated money and got an appointment for it.
pc2g4d 10y ago
Is this for real? It seems like this should be a massive scandal.
- EJTH 10y ago
  The media will down play this. Blame it on Russia to try to detract attention from the content as always, but yes, it is very likely real.
  - tdb7893 10y ago
    With all the Democrat related leaks there is definitely some organization doing a concerted effort against them. The really strange thing is that they haven't seemed to stumble upon anything actually illegal yet. Also, because you generally appoint people who agree with your politics it would be weird if none of the people you had appointed had ever donated large sums of money to you. What would be more of a story is if they could pick out normal donations from any actually sold positions
- MollyR 10y ago
  Yea I'm still in shock. Why isn't this getting more airtime ?
  - JohnMunsch 10y ago
    Probably because it's coming from a paper owned by Ivanka Trump's husband. Oh. That didn't get mentioned? How odd.

40 points by mysticlabs 10y ago

pbarnes_1 10y ago

LOL, Observer.com. This paper is actually run by Donald Trump's son-in-law.

MrZongle2 10y ago
Interesting. But as it Wikileaks doing the releasing and the Observer is merely reporting said release, how does it make the leaked material any less damning?
- mysticlabs 10y ago
  It doesn't. Almost all major main stream media corporations actively participate in spreading propaganda, manufactured narratives, and censorship. There is no such thing as a non-bias news source anymore. What does matter is the content of the leaks. Everything else is a distraction.
  - drivingmenuts 10y ago
    > What does matter is the content of the leaks. Which is then subject to interpretation thru the bias of the observer. It's Benghazi all over again, or just business as usual, or not a problem at all, depending on your internal narrative.
mysticlabs 10y ago
Would you prefer the Clinton News Network instead? http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks/index.html?sr=twCNN091416guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks0635PMVODtopLink&linkId=28784077 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democrat...
- undersuit 10y ago
  >"The documents also include memos from Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine's time as governor of Virginia revealing his tech initiatives, as well as DNC donor information, voter outreach data and redistricting proposals. However, this batch doesn't appear to have any damaging emails regarding the DNC. This is the latest attack from the hacker..." Get a little positive plug for Kaine, downplay, downplay, and trust us there is nothing in here. Pivot back to the atrocious, still-possibly Russian hacker. Nice.
  - loader 10y ago
    "Interim DNC Chair Donna Brazile warned in a statement against downloading the data because it could contain "malware," ... and don't go looking at the data yourself to see what's really in there.
khattam 10y ago
That's good. It makes them more likely to cover the leaks correctly... unlike those who take commands from the DNC: https://imgur.com/UTq0S95 https://imgur.com/UTq0S95

vannevar 10y ago

From the article, it doesn't appear there were any new revelations in the documents at all, just an internally-produced summary of information that was already public (ie, the past political donations of various appointees). Am I missing something?

mysticlabs 10y ago
The main thing is the pay-to-play donations for appointment of government positions. For example, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009. I don't believe this was well known before these leaks. I still have yet to go through all the data, but supposedly theres a lot of data having to do with the data structure of how the DNC moved data around. This includes voter data, which was possibly used to manipulate the primaries in favor of Clinton and away from Sanders. More analysis is needed at this point, and it is likely more info will be revealed as people sift through everything.
- vannevar 10y ago
  For example, Julius Genachowski, donated just under $3.5 million to the DNC and OFA, and in exchange was appointed chairman of the FCC by Obama in 2009. Nothing in the documents proves this. It only shows what we already know, which is that in any administration, there is a correlation between donations and appointments. What you would need is a written communication prior to the donation requesting or offering the appointment in exchange. That would be evidence. This is nothing.
- jljljl 10y ago
  From his Wikipedia page: Genachowski was on the staffs of the Select Committee investigating the Iran-Contra Affair and then U.S. Representative Chuck Schumer.[10] In 1994 FCC Chairman Reed Hundt hired him as a senior legal advisor; he was chief counsel 1996-1997.[11] For Senator Barack Obama's 2008 Presidential Campaign, Genachowski was Chairperson of the Technology, Media and Telecommunications Policy Working Group, which created the Obama Technology and Innovation Plan.[15] He also advised and guided the Campaign’s innovative use of technology and the Internet for grassroots engagement and participation. After the November election, he co-led the Technology, Innovation, and Government Reform Group for President-Elect Obama's Transition Team.[16] On January 12, 2009, several news outlets reported that Genachowski would be President-Elect Obama's choice to head the FCC. This was confirmed by a press release on March 3, 2009.[17] This isn't just some rando who donated money and got an appointment for it.

pc2g4d 10y ago

Is this for real? It seems like this should be a massive scandal.

EJTH 10y ago
The media will down play this. Blame it on Russia to try to detract attention from the content as always, but yes, it is very likely real.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  With all the Democrat related leaks there is definitely some organization doing a concerted effort against them. The really strange thing is that they haven't seemed to stumble upon anything actually illegal yet. Also, because you generally appoint people who agree with your politics it would be weird if none of the people you had appointed had ever donated large sums of money to you. What would be more of a story is if they could pick out normal donations from any actually sold positions
MollyR 10y ago
Yea I'm still in shock. Why isn't this getting more airtime ?
- JohnMunsch 10y ago
  Probably because it's coming from a paper owned by Ivanka Trump's husband. Oh. That didn't get mentioned? How odd.