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That's a good point and not really correct to conflate the two. It would then seem to suggest, that forces with more than say, 5 units (780 average sustained A

by wamatt 10y ago

That's a good point and not really correct to conflate the two. It would then seem to suggest, that forces with more than say, 5 units (780 average sustained APM) and above, would likely be getting into super human territory.

rfrey 10y ago
I am not a gamer... but I have to ask. 780 APM is possible with human players? 13 actions per second? I can't come close to clicking my mouse that fast. I don't think I can blink that fast.
- Merem 10y ago
  Yes, it's possible. Bear in mind that not just clicks count though. July managed a peak APM of 818 in Stracraft: Brood War in an official game. The average APM of a match is usually between 300 and 500, also depending on the race that is played.
  - empath75 10y ago
    A lot of that is 'spamming', where they keep their hands moving and doing things even if they're not particularly meaningful, just so they can keep the pace of the eye/brain/hands feedback loop going.
    - BirdieNZ 10y ago
      Maybe early on it is spamming, but later on in the game most actions because useful actions. Having said that, some APM measurements only tracked effective APM (EAPM), which was clicks that actually achieved some result rather than merely selecting a unit.
  - daodedickinson 10y ago
    I think that may be high for an average... and to give an idea of how much APM is spam, there's that Stork vs. Idra replay from the World Cyber Games where Stork demolishes Idra despite using 70 APM to Idra's 300+. Of course, Protoss takes the least APM but Stork may have been the least spammy player.
- jfoutz 10y ago
  There are hotkeys. there's a big map you can scroll around, but you can bind a specific view of a map to f1-f4. you can get a lot of actions just rolling through those, looking for specific events. Is the attack coming from over here? is the base still collecting resources? stuff like that. You can also hotkey individuals or groups, 1-8. Again just rolling through those will get you a fair amount of apm. That said, 780 is peak for world class players. You probably can't do that, ever, because by the time you put in the years of effort, your reflexes will have decayed. On the other hand, brood war was a subtle game. APM is not the be all end all of winning. Getting proficient with a few aspects of the game can make you pretty good pretty quickly. Heck, just looking around the map like i mentioned above will help. Some people are amazing controlling a few units like a surgeon. Those units are practically unstoppable. But they miss the big picture. Scanning the map lets you distract, delay and ultimately minimize the value of those unstoppable units.
- pcr0 10y ago
  I found this video demonstrating ~300 APM, which is quite insane already. I think >500 APM is probably burst speeds, not sustained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmYhX8fjmo8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmYhX8fjmo8

by wamatt 10y ago

rfrey 10y ago

I am not a gamer... but I have to ask. 780 APM is possible with human players? 13 actions per second? I can't come close to clicking my mouse that fast. I don't think I can blink that fast.

Merem 10y ago
Yes, it's possible. Bear in mind that not just clicks count though. July managed a peak APM of 818 in Stracraft: Brood War in an official game. The average APM of a match is usually between 300 and 500, also depending on the race that is played.
- empath75 10y ago
  A lot of that is 'spamming', where they keep their hands moving and doing things even if they're not particularly meaningful, just so they can keep the pace of the eye/brain/hands feedback loop going.
  - BirdieNZ 10y ago
    Maybe early on it is spamming, but later on in the game most actions because useful actions. Having said that, some APM measurements only tracked effective APM (EAPM), which was clicks that actually achieved some result rather than merely selecting a unit.
- daodedickinson 10y ago
  I think that may be high for an average... and to give an idea of how much APM is spam, there's that Stork vs. Idra replay from the World Cyber Games where Stork demolishes Idra despite using 70 APM to Idra's 300+. Of course, Protoss takes the least APM but Stork may have been the least spammy player.
jfoutz 10y ago
There are hotkeys. there's a big map you can scroll around, but you can bind a specific view of a map to f1-f4. you can get a lot of actions just rolling through those, looking for specific events. Is the attack coming from over here? is the base still collecting resources? stuff like that. You can also hotkey individuals or groups, 1-8. Again just rolling through those will get you a fair amount of apm. That said, 780 is peak for world class players. You probably can't do that, ever, because by the time you put in the years of effort, your reflexes will have decayed. On the other hand, brood war was a subtle game. APM is not the be all end all of winning. Getting proficient with a few aspects of the game can make you pretty good pretty quickly. Heck, just looking around the map like i mentioned above will help. Some people are amazing controlling a few units like a surgeon. Those units are practically unstoppable. But they miss the big picture. Scanning the map lets you distract, delay and ultimately minimize the value of those unstoppable units.
pcr0 10y ago
I found this video demonstrating ~300 APM, which is quite insane already. I think >500 APM is probably burst speeds, not sustained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmYhX8fjmo8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmYhX8fjmo8