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The longer I've been on here, the more I've come to see "Disruption" mean "I truly have no idea how complex and regulated and culturally cemented an industry is
by rm_-rf_slash 10y ago
The longer I've been on here, the more I've come to see "Disruption" mean "I truly have no idea how complex and regulated and culturally cemented an industry is, but I work in software and my only limit is imagination."
No educational system will ever supplant higher education as we know it today, as we have known it for hundreds of years. The only discussion here is about the degree of tweaks. When you grow up in a family of university administrators and scientists and faculty, and then work for a university as professional staff, you realize how laughable most outsiders' naive perspectives are, from the idea that a proper university can be run like a business (ha), or that people will rationally select a college that gives them the best bang for their buck (haha), or that educational complements like boot camps and MOOCS will ever replace what higher education offers (hahahahaha).
While we're toiling away at our degrees, we often argue that it's just "a piece of paper." But that piece of paper matters. Unless you have a lot of paid work exprience, the inexperienced Ivy grad wins out to the mildly experienced community college grad almost every time. Yes, it's a shitty system but to change it you need to change global culture, maybe even human nature.
As far as boot camps go, they're a good idea but even if you pass one with flying colors and could make an iOS app with one hand and a Rails server with another, the perception is still that you're somehow less qualified than a college graduate. Again, it sucks, but a hiring manager is going to ask themselves whether they could get blamed more for hiring a college grad that turns out to suck at their job, or a boot camp graduate that turns out to suck at their job.
Honestly, if you really want to "disrupt" education, you're barking up the wrong tree. The best education is a good job. The best people to teach you how to do your job are the ones doing it with you. I firmly believe that the best way to provide good jobs and valuable skills is to heavily promote - and perhaps even subsidize - paid apprenticeships.
Nothing says "I am worth paying $X for this job" like a resume that says "I was paid $X for this job."
- jkot 10y agoBut I am talking about overhead. People should not pay 10x price, while being educated by temporary postdocs. In that sense foreign universities are already disrupting US education with much lower overhead. Take a 4 year bootcamp which operates in semesters, and you got something very similar to university.
- rm_-rf_slash 10y agoThe only kinds of Americans I have ever known to go to college outside of the US by choice are medical students because of, wait for it, the highly regulated short supply of continental medical schools, so they study in the Bahamas. I don't know why you'd need any more than 1 semester at a boot camp to learn the basics or enough to work with a new programming language or framework. Again, it's not about the education, it's about the willingness for someone to hire you and pay you money. So even if a boot camp that costs 1/10th of a college is subsidized so that tons of people join it, most employers will still see boot camp graduates as inferior to university graduates, because reasons, and because they want to avoid making the wrong hiring decision as much as they want to make the right one.
- jkot 10y ago> Again, it's not about the education, it's about the willingness for someone to hire you and pay you money. But this is not true. Employers are already not willing to pay university graduates 4x salary as they did a few decades ago. Correlation between university degree and skills is decreasing. This already happened in post-communist countries, Germany etc.. 70% of people have university degree. Everyone is overqualified for 90% jobs, and you get PhDs who work as cashiers. In that environment nobody asks for education because it is waste of time (low correlation between degree and skills).