3 ms·

I can eventually see regulations forcing companies to share particular types of data, such as that associated with accidents. Especially more unique accident sc

I can eventually see regulations forcing companies to share particular types of data, such as that associated with accidents. Especially more unique accident scenarios. It'd be pretty limited in scope, but sharing that sort of data would have a pretty clear public safety rational even if they're just using it to build up simulations. No doubt there would be a lot of difficulty in just finding a way to make it portable. I don't have the familiarity with what they're collecting (and how) to make any actual guesses on how you'd go about it. Beyond that, no company is going to want to share their general data. There's too much time and expense behind its collection, and just sharing it wouldn't be enough; to make sense of it they'd have to share a lot of insights into their proprietary systems as well.

jsprogrammer 10y ago
Different sensors may have different responses. A separate collection would likely avoid any particular biases that Google picked up, as well.
- seanp2k2 10y ago
  On the flip side, the different biases of different manufacturers might not go so well together. Toyota couldn't get the software for an accelerator pedal right, so I have zero confidence that the 2030 self-driving Prius won't just e.g. drive 15 mph under the speed limit everywhere, camp out in the passing lane, stop for at least 30 seconds when switching from reverse to forward, and gridlock in shopping center parking lots. Then again, as someone who won't buy a self-driving car for as long as possible, it might be fun to learn the driving styles of different self-driving cars and use them to my advantage. E.g. If I know that tailgating a Prius which is going the speed limit in the left lane will cause it to move over in self-driving mode, or that a Mirai will always brake-check itself when it gets cut off, it might be possible to exert some control over them if it's advantageous in traffic to do so.
  - jsprogrammer 10y ago
    I agree the data should be open, I just don't think Uber, or anyone else, should attempt to piggyback on top of it. Pushing other peoples' cars around does sound kind of fun, but I hope we'll have something better to do than frustrate commuters.
  - r00fus 10y ago
    > Toyota couldn't get the software for an accelerator pedal right, so I have zero confidence that the 2030 self-driving Prius won't just e.g. drive 15 mph under the speed limit everywhere, camp out in the passing lane, stop for at least 30 seconds when switching from reverse to forward, and gridlock in shopping center parking lots. All the things you describe are as likely to cause accidents as wrong turns or over-acceleration. If Toyota can't get this right (my bet is they will) then they won't and shouldn't be doing autonomous cars, despite their "change of heart".

jsprogrammer 10y ago

Different sensors may have different responses. A separate collection would likely avoid any particular biases that Google picked up, as well.

seanp2k2 10y ago
On the flip side, the different biases of different manufacturers might not go so well together. Toyota couldn't get the software for an accelerator pedal right, so I have zero confidence that the 2030 self-driving Prius won't just e.g. drive 15 mph under the speed limit everywhere, camp out in the passing lane, stop for at least 30 seconds when switching from reverse to forward, and gridlock in shopping center parking lots. Then again, as someone who won't buy a self-driving car for as long as possible, it might be fun to learn the driving styles of different self-driving cars and use them to my advantage. E.g. If I know that tailgating a Prius which is going the speed limit in the left lane will cause it to move over in self-driving mode, or that a Mirai will always brake-check itself when it gets cut off, it might be possible to exert some control over them if it's advantageous in traffic to do so.
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  I agree the data should be open, I just don't think Uber, or anyone else, should attempt to piggyback on top of it. Pushing other peoples' cars around does sound kind of fun, but I hope we'll have something better to do than frustrate commuters.
- r00fus 10y ago
  > Toyota couldn't get the software for an accelerator pedal right, so I have zero confidence that the 2030 self-driving Prius won't just e.g. drive 15 mph under the speed limit everywhere, camp out in the passing lane, stop for at least 30 seconds when switching from reverse to forward, and gridlock in shopping center parking lots. All the things you describe are as likely to cause accidents as wrong turns or over-acceleration. If Toyota can't get this right (my bet is they will) then they won't and shouldn't be doing autonomous cars, despite their "change of heart".