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Screw Go. Beating the Terran Emperor in a game of Starcraft is when the computers will finally take over the world. It would be interesting though. How would a

Screw Go. Beating the Terran Emperor in a game of Starcraft is when the computers will finally take over the world. It would be interesting though. How would a program that has PERFECT micro fare against a professional Starcraft player. Would a program reliably figure out how to kill 10 banelings with a few marines and a medivac by using the fact you can micro them to be able to do it without taking losses? Even if it could, would it know WHEN its even worth it to do so?

hossbeast 10y ago
They must constrain the AI to effectively only "click" on things at a rate and as far apart from the last thing clicked on such that a human could do it with a mouse
computerex 10y ago
In the past, Q-learning has led to models that perform at a superhuman level, so I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar.
danielvf 10y ago
There are already incredibly good micro StarCraft AI, able to operate at thousands of APM - this isn't the limiting aspect of current StarCraft AI. The "Hard" part of StarCraft is that it is a huge Rock Paper Scissors game with only the information you fight for. You have to be able to piece together a picture of your opponents actions and forces from small cues.
- pkfrank 10y ago
  Wow, I hadn't seen this before. Here is "Automaton 2000" controlling 20 marines vs 40 banelings, without losing a single unit. https://youtu.be/DXUOWXidcY0?t=52 https://youtu.be/DXUOWXidcY0?t=52 Pretty cool.
  - vinchuco 10y ago
    That's incredible. The speed advantage here: https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs Brings to mind the power of high frequency trading
  - danielvf 10y ago
    And as cool as that is, this is even more terrifying, as a hundred zergslings dodge seige tank cannons and destroy them. https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs It's enough to make you scared for the future of humanity.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      What... the... hell..!? That's basically what they show on movies where the action stars have superhuman movement. Except, it's zergling's perfectly coordinating the demolition of siege tanks. Awesome demo of AI micro.

hossbeast 10y ago

They must constrain the AI to effectively only "click" on things at a rate and as far apart from the last thing clicked on such that a human could do it with a mouse

computerex 10y ago

In the past, Q-learning has led to models that perform at a superhuman level, so I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar.

danielvf 10y ago

There are already incredibly good micro StarCraft AI, able to operate at thousands of APM - this isn't the limiting aspect of current StarCraft AI. The "Hard" part of StarCraft is that it is a huge Rock Paper Scissors game with only the information you fight for. You have to be able to piece together a picture of your opponents actions and forces from small cues.

pkfrank 10y ago
Wow, I hadn't seen this before. Here is "Automaton 2000" controlling 20 marines vs 40 banelings, without losing a single unit. https://youtu.be/DXUOWXidcY0?t=52 https://youtu.be/DXUOWXidcY0?t=52 Pretty cool.
- vinchuco 10y ago
  That's incredible. The speed advantage here: https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs Brings to mind the power of high frequency trading
- danielvf 10y ago
  And as cool as that is, this is even more terrifying, as a hundred zergslings dodge seige tank cannons and destroy them. https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs https://youtu.be/IKVFZ28ybQs It's enough to make you scared for the future of humanity.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    What... the... hell..!? That's basically what they show on movies where the action stars have superhuman movement. Except, it's zergling's perfectly coordinating the demolition of siege tanks. Awesome demo of AI micro.