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>if Google let anyone have access to their million+ miles of driving sensor data instead of needing to collect it all from scratch? You basically suggesting Go

>if Google let anyone have access to their million+ miles of driving sensor data instead of needing to collect it all from scratch? You basically suggesting Google to give up their(only?) leverage. Open source is all good, but if they can't make money out of these projects, you will see less of moon shots.

mamadrood 10y ago
Well, you will run their software, and they can sell you ads in your car where you have nothing to do but wait.
- josho 10y ago
  If that's the end game google can license their software to other car vendors. No need to giveaway the data.
- rayiner 10y ago
  I like open source and open data in principle, but hate how it is driving more of the economy to an ad-supported model.
  - icebraining 10y ago
    I don't see the connection. The core code and data of ad-supported companies like Google and Facebook are closed, while the open source companies and projects like Red Hat and OpenStreeMap are not usually ad-supported.
- zouhair 10y ago
  Fuck that, I'll walk. I live a life with the least ads as possible and even then I am smothered by them.
- kyrra 10y ago
  My take on Google X projects is to do cool things that may find alternate revenue streams to selling ads (or just do cool things, without necessarily having a business plan up front). Sure Google makes most of their money from ads, but they are trying lots of different things to make money elsewhere. Self driving cars, Ara, Google Glass, and others weren't trying to push ads, they were trying to find new products to make money in some other way (maybe). Google's push to expand their Cloud offering is also showing them trying to pursue non-ad based revenue.
  - funkymike 10y ago
    Google knowing where you go could make their models of you more valuable. Now they can specifically target ads based on where you go and when. Sitting in the cab waiting to get where you are going what are you going to do? Pull out your smart phone and see an ad offering a sale at a competitor to where you told the cab to go.
- 1023120910 10y ago
  And they run MY software, without giving much back. -- disgruntled open source dev
zanny 10y ago
Nothing stops them from actually selling their finished automation software. This seems like the kind of domain where the government can be useful. Negotiate terms to buy the aggregate data off everyone experimenting with self-driving vehicles and make it all publicly available for them all to use. Its a safety issue more than anything else, because we have borderline genocide going on every year with tens of thousands of roadside deaths, making cars safer is not just some side project for profits sake alone.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  > This seems like the kind of domain where the government can be useful. Negotiate terms to buy the aggregate data off everyone experimenting with self-driving vehicles and make it all publicly available for them all to us Why should the tax-payers subsidize private actor's R&D? I'm sure Google is amenable to partnership/sharing their data with anyone for the right amount or under the right terms; free hand of the market and all - no need for government "meddling".
  - zanny 10y ago
    Because then you keep kicking the problem down the road. Groups with cash treasure troves can reap data, and certain actors will never release the data, and in practice you won't see many organizations negotiating such data because it is valuable but its value is highly volatile based on what comes of the R&D. I cannot imagine almost any department willingly just selling it under current conditions, or else they may face the reality they effectively sold the necessary work to get the first fully automated system to market for what becomes pennies on what the reaper of that gold mine receives. Because this data is a matter of survival, where you can easily forecast at least several million vehicular fatalities in the next decade worldwide, it becomes relevant that the various states (I'm extending this globally since several European car companies are also engaged in automation development) it is paramount it be made accessible in the same way we seem to be finally having the epiphany that should have happened at least two decades ago that scientific research should be made openly available.
    - 10y ago
stale2002 10y ago
What if they sold the data to Uber? Everyone wins!
- vthallam 10y ago
  Just because Uber starting field trials with passengers first, doesn't mean they are ahead of the game. Google have been doing it for years and you know how good at they are at this. So, Google will not sell the data, rather they will improve their offerings and just partner with car companies.

mamadrood 10y ago

Well, you will run their software, and they can sell you ads in your car where you have nothing to do but wait.

josho 10y ago
If that's the end game google can license their software to other car vendors. No need to giveaway the data.
rayiner 10y ago
I like open source and open data in principle, but hate how it is driving more of the economy to an ad-supported model.
- icebraining 10y ago
  I don't see the connection. The core code and data of ad-supported companies like Google and Facebook are closed, while the open source companies and projects like Red Hat and OpenStreeMap are not usually ad-supported.
zouhair 10y ago
Fuck that, I'll walk. I live a life with the least ads as possible and even then I am smothered by them.
kyrra 10y ago
My take on Google X projects is to do cool things that may find alternate revenue streams to selling ads (or just do cool things, without necessarily having a business plan up front). Sure Google makes most of their money from ads, but they are trying lots of different things to make money elsewhere. Self driving cars, Ara, Google Glass, and others weren't trying to push ads, they were trying to find new products to make money in some other way (maybe). Google's push to expand their Cloud offering is also showing them trying to pursue non-ad based revenue.
- funkymike 10y ago
  Google knowing where you go could make their models of you more valuable. Now they can specifically target ads based on where you go and when. Sitting in the cab waiting to get where you are going what are you going to do? Pull out your smart phone and see an ad offering a sale at a competitor to where you told the cab to go.
1023120910 10y ago
And they run MY software, without giving much back. -- disgruntled open source dev

zanny 10y ago

Nothing stops them from actually selling their finished automation software. This seems like the kind of domain where the government can be useful. Negotiate terms to buy the aggregate data off everyone experimenting with self-driving vehicles and make it all publicly available for them all to use. Its a safety issue more than anything else, because we have borderline genocide going on every year with tens of thousands of roadside deaths, making cars safer is not just some side project for profits sake alone.

sangnoir 10y ago
> This seems like the kind of domain where the government can be useful. Negotiate terms to buy the aggregate data off everyone experimenting with self-driving vehicles and make it all publicly available for them all to us Why should the tax-payers subsidize private actor's R&D? I'm sure Google is amenable to partnership/sharing their data with anyone for the right amount or under the right terms; free hand of the market and all - no need for government "meddling".
- zanny 10y ago
  Because then you keep kicking the problem down the road. Groups with cash treasure troves can reap data, and certain actors will never release the data, and in practice you won't see many organizations negotiating such data because it is valuable but its value is highly volatile based on what comes of the R&D. I cannot imagine almost any department willingly just selling it under current conditions, or else they may face the reality they effectively sold the necessary work to get the first fully automated system to market for what becomes pennies on what the reaper of that gold mine receives. Because this data is a matter of survival, where you can easily forecast at least several million vehicular fatalities in the next decade worldwide, it becomes relevant that the various states (I'm extending this globally since several European car companies are also engaged in automation development) it is paramount it be made accessible in the same way we seem to be finally having the epiphany that should have happened at least two decades ago that scientific research should be made openly available.
  - 10y ago

stale2002 10y ago

What if they sold the data to Uber? Everyone wins!

vthallam 10y ago
Just because Uber starting field trials with passengers first, doesn't mean they are ahead of the game. Google have been doing it for years and you know how good at they are at this. So, Google will not sell the data, rather they will improve their offerings and just partner with car companies.