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The "funny" thing is, our governments are probably doing very similar things No, they're provably doing similar things. A "citizen score" only has cosmetic di

The "funny" thing is, our governments are probably doing very similar things No, they're provably doing similar things. A "citizen score" only has cosmetic differences to the data crunching done by machine learning predictive policing. The differences are just as large enough to avoid fitting into any of the identifiers for bad governance that the American collective conscience is already keyed into.

mc32 10y ago
The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. Look at today's Turkey for what it would be if this were true in western democracies (of which Turkey withdrew itself recently).
- forgottenpass 10y ago
  The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. There are two different aspects. The difference you're focusing on seems to be setting what positions are acceptable, and what gets done to people who hold them them. The similarity I was focusing on was that they're being tracked at all. And in the cases that they're not not immediately actionable, I don't draw much distinction between a bureaucrat with actuarial tables and machine learning.
- ihnorton 10y ago
  > The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. Jailed, no. Fired and ostracized? Certainly, except for narrow definitions of "views" and "dissidence" (largely calibrated by region and type of employment).
  - mc32 10y ago
    You're conflating government action with civil actions. Civilians do all kinds of things governments are constrained from doing --I can be ostracized by colleagues for being irreligious or contemptuous of management or being pro choice, or conversely pro life or being too PC or not being PC, etc. I'm unaware of dragnets and massive house to house searches in order to discover and punish people who went out for a brief protest against against a corrupt government office.

mc32 10y ago

The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. Look at today's Turkey for what it would be if this were true in western democracies (of which Turkey withdrew itself recently).

forgottenpass 10y ago
The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. There are two different aspects. The difference you're focusing on seems to be setting what positions are acceptable, and what gets done to people who hold them them. The similarity I was focusing on was that they're being tracked at all. And in the cases that they're not not immediately actionable, I don't draw much distinction between a bureaucrat with actuarial tables and machine learning.
ihnorton 10y ago
> The main difference is you're not getting fired or ostracized or jailed for run of the mill political views or dissidence. Jailed, no. Fired and ostracized? Certainly, except for narrow definitions of "views" and "dissidence" (largely calibrated by region and type of employment).
- mc32 10y ago
  You're conflating government action with civil actions. Civilians do all kinds of things governments are constrained from doing --I can be ostracized by colleagues for being irreligious or contemptuous of management or being pro choice, or conversely pro life or being too PC or not being PC, etc. I'm unaware of dragnets and massive house to house searches in order to discover and punish people who went out for a brief protest against against a corrupt government office.