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The same way you opt-out of Apple or Yahoo! reading your email when you communicate to someone that has iCloud or Yahoo! mail.

by Oletros 10y ago

AlexandrB 10y ago
You're confused. Google reads all incoming emails to enhance its ad targeting, Apple doesn't [1]. I don't have to opt out of Apple reading my mail because it doesn't read it by default. Still waiting for some facts instead of rhetoric about how "everyone's doing it". [1] https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ "iAd sticks to the same privacy policy that applies to every other Apple product. It doesn’t get data from Health and HomeKit, Maps, Siri, iMessage, your call history, or any iCloud service like Contacts or Mail, and you can always just opt out altogether."
- Oletros 10y ago
  Apple,Yahoo!, Google and every mail sever READ all the emails. They are read for anti virus purposes, categorization and for full text search.
  - AlexandrB 10y ago
    You're conflating reading email for the purposes of providing an online email service with reading email for the purposes of building a profile of a user to help target advertising. These are very different. In the former case, if I delete an email, its metadata is gone too (indexing, antivirus, etc.). In the latter case the email provider is literally building a dossier of my personality, preferences, and contacts that persists regardless of how much email I delete (or even if I delete my whole account). To put it another way, Apple reads my email in the trivial sense - so the email itself can be stored, displayed, and searched. Google reads my email in the intimate sense - so it can learn more about me and augment my ad profile. These are not at all the same thing, and confusing the two is dangerous because it lets privacy invasion off the hook as just "providing a service".
    - Oletros 10y ago
      You original > How do I opt out of google reading my email when I communicate to someone who had a Gmail account? Perhaps the one confusing and using wrong terms is not me.
      - AlexandrB 10y ago
        You're right I should have clarified that I meant I don't want Google to read the contents of my email and form a profile about me even if I don't use Google services instead of just saying "read". Edit: I still haven't heard any justification from you for why it's ok for Google to do this nor any evidence that Apple does the same thing.
        Oletros 10y ago
        I didn't said that Apple makes a profile, I have said that Apple/Microsoft/every mail server reads ALL the emails.
    - cromwellian 10y ago
      https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated "Ads based on your interest". Notice no where in there does it say that these interests are based on your emails. Gmail does a lot of stuff that requires email parsing: * Spam filtering * Search indexing * Applying rule based filters * Priority Inbox * Picking up automated emails corresponding to receipts, flights, or calendar appointments and making them available to search or see in Google Now. * To train the Smart Reply feature One primary reason Apple doesn't do this is that Apple doesn't have a cloud based email service. They are forced to do everything on device. I have about 10Gb of email in my work account and 16Gb of email in my personal account. Do I want to sync 26Gb of email to my phone, tablet, and desktop, all so that they can do purely local indexing, filtering, and other smart AI based features? If I'm a user in a developing country on a 2G or 3G network, do I want this to all happen locally, or in the cloud? There are tradeoffs in all scenarios, and the theorized nasty things from all of the speculated profiling going on don't seem to be very apparent. And if all of these profiling is going on, then why is what Google thinks I'm interested in so often wrong? Perhaps there's a disconnect between what people imagine Google "could be doing" and what they're actually doing.

The same way you opt-out of Apple or Yahoo! reading your email when you communicate to someone that has iCloud or Yahoo! mail.

by Oletros 10y ago

The same way you opt-out of Apple or Yahoo! reading your email when you communicate to someone that has iCloud or Yahoo! mail.

AlexandrB 10y ago

You're confused. Google reads all incoming emails to enhance its ad targeting, Apple doesn't [1]. I don't have to opt out of Apple reading my mail because it doesn't read it by default. Still waiting for some facts instead of rhetoric about how "everyone's doing it". [1] https://www.apple.com/privacy/ https://www.apple.com/privacy/ "iAd sticks to the same privacy policy that applies to every other Apple product. It doesn’t get data from Health and HomeKit, Maps, Siri, iMessage, your call history, or any iCloud service like Contacts or Mail, and you can always just opt out altogether."

Oletros 10y ago
Apple,Yahoo!, Google and every mail sever READ all the emails. They are read for anti virus purposes, categorization and for full text search.
- AlexandrB 10y ago
  You're conflating reading email for the purposes of providing an online email service with reading email for the purposes of building a profile of a user to help target advertising. These are very different. In the former case, if I delete an email, its metadata is gone too (indexing, antivirus, etc.). In the latter case the email provider is literally building a dossier of my personality, preferences, and contacts that persists regardless of how much email I delete (or even if I delete my whole account). To put it another way, Apple reads my email in the trivial sense - so the email itself can be stored, displayed, and searched. Google reads my email in the intimate sense - so it can learn more about me and augment my ad profile. These are not at all the same thing, and confusing the two is dangerous because it lets privacy invasion off the hook as just "providing a service".
  - Oletros 10y ago
    You original > How do I opt out of google reading my email when I communicate to someone who had a Gmail account? Perhaps the one confusing and using wrong terms is not me.
    - AlexandrB 10y ago
      You're right I should have clarified that I meant I don't want Google to read the contents of my email and form a profile about me even if I don't use Google services instead of just saying "read". Edit: I still haven't heard any justification from you for why it's ok for Google to do this nor any evidence that Apple does the same thing.
      - Oletros 10y ago
        I didn't said that Apple makes a profile, I have said that Apple/Microsoft/every mail server reads ALL the emails.
  - cromwellian 10y ago
    https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated https://www.google.com/settings/u/0/ads/authenticated "Ads based on your interest". Notice no where in there does it say that these interests are based on your emails. Gmail does a lot of stuff that requires email parsing: * Spam filtering * Search indexing * Applying rule based filters * Priority Inbox * Picking up automated emails corresponding to receipts, flights, or calendar appointments and making them available to search or see in Google Now. * To train the Smart Reply feature One primary reason Apple doesn't do this is that Apple doesn't have a cloud based email service. They are forced to do everything on device. I have about 10Gb of email in my work account and 16Gb of email in my personal account. Do I want to sync 26Gb of email to my phone, tablet, and desktop, all so that they can do purely local indexing, filtering, and other smart AI based features? If I'm a user in a developing country on a 2G or 3G network, do I want this to all happen locally, or in the cloud? There are tradeoffs in all scenarios, and the theorized nasty things from all of the speculated profiling going on don't seem to be very apparent. And if all of these profiling is going on, then why is what Google thinks I'm interested in so often wrong? Perhaps there's a disconnect between what people imagine Google "could be doing" and what they're actually doing.