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oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. I was only trying out an argument that politically his fate is no longer important, and it is of g

oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. I was only trying out an argument that politically his fate is no longer important, and it is of greater value to focus on what will protect the next Snowden better. It's still clearly a moral imperative to help Snowden.

gizmo 10y ago
What happens to Snowden sets a precedent. That has huge implications politically. An America where Snowden gets assassinated will be a different America politically than one where Snowden gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
wtbob 10y ago
> oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. What has been done to Snowden that is atrocious and repugnant? He is the one who stole information; he is the one who absconded to adversary states. Nothing has been done to him. > It's still clearly a moral imperative to help Snowden. The moral imperative is to see that he gets a fair trial, and then upon conviction to ensure that he is humanely executed.
- WilliamDhalgren 10y ago
  Wow. Fine, I'll bite: He is prosecuted for the greatest act of whistleblowing since the pentagon papers. This has enabled improvements in both privacy regulations and accelerated the deployment of strong cryptography across the Internet. As the Berlin University puts it, he can thus be credited with "extraordinary achievements in defense of transparency, justice and freedom". Yet despite this, his country of origin has no laws needed to protect him and any future cases of the kind. And what the hell are advesary states? Last I heard the cold war was over... There is of course no possibility that he'd get a trial, so your morbid fantasy is just that... Again, I'm simply astonished that there are people in the US who could see this act as anything other than utter heroism.

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oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. I was only trying out an argument that politically his fate is no longer important, and it is of g

by WilliamDhalgren 10y ago

gizmo 10y ago
What happens to Snowden sets a precedent. That has huge implications politically. An America where Snowden gets assassinated will be a different America politically than one where Snowden gets the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
wtbob 10y ago
> oh no doubt, what was done to him is atrocious and repugnant. What has been done to Snowden that is atrocious and repugnant? He is the one who stole information; he is the one who absconded to adversary states. Nothing has been done to him. > It's still clearly a moral imperative to help Snowden. The moral imperative is to see that he gets a fair trial, and then upon conviction to ensure that he is humanely executed.
- WilliamDhalgren 10y ago
  Wow. Fine, I'll bite: He is prosecuted for the greatest act of whistleblowing since the pentagon papers. This has enabled improvements in both privacy regulations and accelerated the deployment of strong cryptography across the Internet. As the Berlin University puts it, he can thus be credited with "extraordinary achievements in defense of transparency, justice and freedom". Yet despite this, his country of origin has no laws needed to protect him and any future cases of the kind. And what the hell are advesary states? Last I heard the cold war was over... There is of course no possibility that he'd get a trial, so your morbid fantasy is just that... Again, I'm simply astonished that there are people in the US who could see this act as anything other than utter heroism.