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To be fair, it's a lot easier to live in the moment when the planning is someone else's responsibility, i.e. Your son can live in the moment because you're the

To be fair, it's a lot easier to live in the moment when the planning is someone else's responsibility, i.e. Your son can live in the moment because you're the one buying the food, paying the bills :-)

teekert 10y ago
That is of course true, but do you have to think about the shopping now, when you know you will do it at 20:00?
- allengeorge 10y ago
  Well, to do it at 20:00 may involve a chain-reaction of related decisions that affect your behavior "now". - When should I leave to get there by 20:00? - Can I do something else along the way? - What can I get done before then? etc. etc.
  - teekert 10y ago
    But if you can manage to not think about it until say 19:50, you will feel less busy. Working on your current task with 100% dedication, spending your breaks looking out the window just watching the birds land on the branches of the cherry tree will make you feel less busy, I guarantee it. Edit: Not that I ever manage that myself of course but the theory is sound.
    - cperciva 10y ago
      I can't say that I'm perfect at this, but I've found that to-do lists are a great way tool for helping me not think about things: Knowing that something is on my list and so I won't forget about it allows me to push it out of my head far more effectively.
      - allengeorge 10y ago
        Agreed - to-do lists help a lot, along with judicious use of reminders (a simple prompt helps a lot). At least for me the key is to aggressively wean my to-do list, keeping items on it that I'm highly likely to complete in the next few days, as opposed to an ever-growing wish list.
        ghaff 10y ago
        Yep. There's a value to also keeping a maybe someday list but a to do list really does need to be tractable. I've known people who kept these ever-expanding multi-page to do lists and never got anything done. I'm really not much of a productivity "system" person but David Allen has some good ideas around completing quick tasks, to do lists, breaking things up into manageable chunks, calendars being for events that are tied to a specific time/date, etc.
        TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Regarding ideas from GTD, I can't stress the importance of weekly review enough. I find it to be at the same time the most important and most difficult part of a productivity system. All my attempts of managing my work gave immediate benefits for efficiency and peace of mind, but then quickly fell apart because I didn't do weekly reviews. Now I forced myself to treat them as top priority thing to do (more important than my job, even) - and the system has been stable for many months.
        ghaff 10y ago
        Good point. I don't do it systematically and should. Whenever I do, I realize stuff that I should be working on and stuff that has turned into a bit of a black hole.
      - gvurrdon 10y ago
        Definitely. The appearance of smartwatches which are capable of understanding a command along the lines of "remind me to do $thing at $time/$place" has been excellent for improving my relaxation.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        I concur. I use todo lists aggressively and I've noticed that I often don't remember most of the bullshit/errands I have to do, even on the same day but e.g. after work. I rely on my todo list to remind me, and to inform me when I'm making plans. My head feels much "lighter" than when I had to juggle all responsibilities in it all the time. That said, there's a caveat here - as they say, "out of sight, out of mind", and I find it too easy to defend from being overworked by simply ignoring the todo list and not looking at it. This is dangerous and leads to failed obligations.
        gglitch 10y ago
        Same. My todo list didn't start working until I started scheduling reminders at fixed times to look at and process the list. I have just barely enough willpower not to dismiss the reminder until I've processed the list.
    - petra 10y ago
      That's the problem with the whole eastern philosophy(which i like very much) - it's strong in theory, but it's not practical for most people. A more practical thing might be to do your chores with music - so you'll focus on it and not on your next chore.
    - thesmallestcat 10y ago
      --> "busy" people You shouldn't plan a grocery trip --> you You shouldn't schedule a grocery trip You shouldn't consider your diet in advance (plan meals) You shouldn't check if groceries are needed before shopping You shouldn't make sure you have money in the bank before shopping So there isn't much of a difference, you still have considered that you could afford groceries, that you need them, and even have a time planned. Then I wonder, why can't one make a grocery list and then go watch the birds? As an aside, those living on tight budgets typically have no choice but to think about everything in advance, like you're piloting a dinghy on the high seas.
  - informatimago 10y ago
    Of course, but does that really matter? If you do your moment stuff, and forget to buy groceries, is that really a problem of not having food for diner? Just skip it, you won't die. Why doing today what can be done tomorrow? Then you only need to do planning on the really important stuff.
    - allengeorge 10y ago
      Yes - that can be a problem. For example, today may be the only day in the next few days I have time to buy groceries. So, not getting it today is more than "not having food for dinner", it's more like "not having breakfast for the next few days". Aight, so now I just buy breakfast on the go for the next few days, which means I've just spent 3x+ the amount of money I would on breakfast as opposed to just planning ahead... (Yes, this has really happened.)
      - meric 10y ago
        And that's perfectly OK. Somedays I survive on food from 7-11 (open all the time). You could also buy food off your neighbour. Since you only care about now, there's no point worrying what they will think in the future. "I'll give you $10 for that packet of pasta". What's the difference between $10 in your pocket and theirs? What is the price of peace and contentment?
      - teekert 10y ago
        I know people that made this their life style and how such occasions as opportunities. Opportunities to eat with friends, eat at your parents or do some rigorous dieting. Moreover, not being prepared by having at least some canned food in your closet has nothing to do with being busy or not.
- s_kilk 10y ago
  This is why I like having a good todo-list and note-taking system, I can offload those concerns and not think about them until they're needed. I then have plenty of spare capacity for both generalised planning and chilling out.
  - somedangedname 10y ago
    Any tips on not obsessing over how detailed/well-planned your notes need to be? For me, note-taking just ends up being something else to worry about. Particularly when it comes to work.
    - chillingeffect 10y ago
      My new technique is put many more items than possible on the todo list then get comfortable with the Swiss cheese appearance. Life is irregular so keep a pool of tasks in mind, not a rigid series.
    - gglitch 10y ago
      I chose a system with super fast capture and sort, and I have reminders scheduled to view and re-sort everything I've captured at specific intervals. This is working for me, for the first time ever.
      - andai 10y ago
        Which system did you choose?
        gglitch 10y ago
        Emacs org-mode. You can write capture templates that populate the file of your choice with boilerplate of your specification, and you fill in the rest, and it's all tied to the keystroke of your choice. Then another keystroke of your choice pulls up lists of any or all of your captures, sorted chronologically or by category or both, and it's single keypresses to sort/resort into new categories. As with all things Emacs, it's a learning curve, but feels like magic once you have it set up the way you like it. I have capture templates for work for Right Now, Today, This Week, Coming Up, Ongoing, Pending, Done, Daily Log, and Meeting Notes; I also have capture templates and another file set up for my personal diary. All entries automatically tagged and timestamped. I had been using org-mode for years before I started using custom capture templates and agenda views, and now it's clear to me that they're the magic that makes org-mode worth learning. Compromises: no pictures, no phone. Other people make these things work, but it hasn't been worth it for me. Oh and for reminders: Apple Reminders at 9:00, 12:45, and 16:00.
- namaemuta 10y ago
  You have to, for example if the activity that you are deciding to do now will keep you busy past that hour.

teekert 10y ago

That is of course true, but do you have to think about the shopping now, when you know you will do it at 20:00?

allengeorge 10y ago
Well, to do it at 20:00 may involve a chain-reaction of related decisions that affect your behavior "now". - When should I leave to get there by 20:00? - Can I do something else along the way? - What can I get done before then? etc. etc.
- teekert 10y ago
  But if you can manage to not think about it until say 19:50, you will feel less busy. Working on your current task with 100% dedication, spending your breaks looking out the window just watching the birds land on the branches of the cherry tree will make you feel less busy, I guarantee it. Edit: Not that I ever manage that myself of course but the theory is sound.
  - cperciva 10y ago
    I can't say that I'm perfect at this, but I've found that to-do lists are a great way tool for helping me not think about things: Knowing that something is on my list and so I won't forget about it allows me to push it out of my head far more effectively.
    - allengeorge 10y ago
      Agreed - to-do lists help a lot, along with judicious use of reminders (a simple prompt helps a lot). At least for me the key is to aggressively wean my to-do list, keeping items on it that I'm highly likely to complete in the next few days, as opposed to an ever-growing wish list.
      - ghaff 10y ago
        Yep. There's a value to also keeping a maybe someday list but a to do list really does need to be tractable. I've known people who kept these ever-expanding multi-page to do lists and never got anything done. I'm really not much of a productivity "system" person but David Allen has some good ideas around completing quick tasks, to do lists, breaking things up into manageable chunks, calendars being for events that are tied to a specific time/date, etc.
        TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Regarding ideas from GTD, I can't stress the importance of weekly review enough. I find it to be at the same time the most important and most difficult part of a productivity system. All my attempts of managing my work gave immediate benefits for efficiency and peace of mind, but then quickly fell apart because I didn't do weekly reviews. Now I forced myself to treat them as top priority thing to do (more important than my job, even) - and the system has been stable for many months.
        ghaff 10y ago
        Good point. I don't do it systematically and should. Whenever I do, I realize stuff that I should be working on and stuff that has turned into a bit of a black hole.
    - gvurrdon 10y ago
      Definitely. The appearance of smartwatches which are capable of understanding a command along the lines of "remind me to do $thing at $time/$place" has been excellent for improving my relaxation.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      I concur. I use todo lists aggressively and I've noticed that I often don't remember most of the bullshit/errands I have to do, even on the same day but e.g. after work. I rely on my todo list to remind me, and to inform me when I'm making plans. My head feels much "lighter" than when I had to juggle all responsibilities in it all the time. That said, there's a caveat here - as they say, "out of sight, out of mind", and I find it too easy to defend from being overworked by simply ignoring the todo list and not looking at it. This is dangerous and leads to failed obligations.
      - gglitch 10y ago
        Same. My todo list didn't start working until I started scheduling reminders at fixed times to look at and process the list. I have just barely enough willpower not to dismiss the reminder until I've processed the list.
  - petra 10y ago
    That's the problem with the whole eastern philosophy(which i like very much) - it's strong in theory, but it's not practical for most people. A more practical thing might be to do your chores with music - so you'll focus on it and not on your next chore.
  - thesmallestcat 10y ago
    --> "busy" people You shouldn't plan a grocery trip --> you You shouldn't schedule a grocery trip You shouldn't consider your diet in advance (plan meals) You shouldn't check if groceries are needed before shopping You shouldn't make sure you have money in the bank before shopping So there isn't much of a difference, you still have considered that you could afford groceries, that you need them, and even have a time planned. Then I wonder, why can't one make a grocery list and then go watch the birds? As an aside, those living on tight budgets typically have no choice but to think about everything in advance, like you're piloting a dinghy on the high seas.
- informatimago 10y ago
  Of course, but does that really matter? If you do your moment stuff, and forget to buy groceries, is that really a problem of not having food for diner? Just skip it, you won't die. Why doing today what can be done tomorrow? Then you only need to do planning on the really important stuff.
  - allengeorge 10y ago
    Yes - that can be a problem. For example, today may be the only day in the next few days I have time to buy groceries. So, not getting it today is more than "not having food for dinner", it's more like "not having breakfast for the next few days". Aight, so now I just buy breakfast on the go for the next few days, which means I've just spent 3x+ the amount of money I would on breakfast as opposed to just planning ahead... (Yes, this has really happened.)
    - meric 10y ago
      And that's perfectly OK. Somedays I survive on food from 7-11 (open all the time). You could also buy food off your neighbour. Since you only care about now, there's no point worrying what they will think in the future. "I'll give you $10 for that packet of pasta". What's the difference between $10 in your pocket and theirs? What is the price of peace and contentment?
    - teekert 10y ago
      I know people that made this their life style and how such occasions as opportunities. Opportunities to eat with friends, eat at your parents or do some rigorous dieting. Moreover, not being prepared by having at least some canned food in your closet has nothing to do with being busy or not.
s_kilk 10y ago
This is why I like having a good todo-list and note-taking system, I can offload those concerns and not think about them until they're needed. I then have plenty of spare capacity for both generalised planning and chilling out.
- somedangedname 10y ago
  Any tips on not obsessing over how detailed/well-planned your notes need to be? For me, note-taking just ends up being something else to worry about. Particularly when it comes to work.
  - chillingeffect 10y ago
    My new technique is put many more items than possible on the todo list then get comfortable with the Swiss cheese appearance. Life is irregular so keep a pool of tasks in mind, not a rigid series.
  - gglitch 10y ago
    I chose a system with super fast capture and sort, and I have reminders scheduled to view and re-sort everything I've captured at specific intervals. This is working for me, for the first time ever.
    - andai 10y ago
      Which system did you choose?
      - gglitch 10y ago
        Emacs org-mode. You can write capture templates that populate the file of your choice with boilerplate of your specification, and you fill in the rest, and it's all tied to the keystroke of your choice. Then another keystroke of your choice pulls up lists of any or all of your captures, sorted chronologically or by category or both, and it's single keypresses to sort/resort into new categories. As with all things Emacs, it's a learning curve, but feels like magic once you have it set up the way you like it. I have capture templates for work for Right Now, Today, This Week, Coming Up, Ongoing, Pending, Done, Daily Log, and Meeting Notes; I also have capture templates and another file set up for my personal diary. All entries automatically tagged and timestamped. I had been using org-mode for years before I started using custom capture templates and agenda views, and now it's clear to me that they're the magic that makes org-mode worth learning. Compromises: no pictures, no phone. Other people make these things work, but it hasn't been worth it for me. Oh and for reminders: Apple Reminders at 9:00, 12:45, and 16:00.
namaemuta 10y ago
You have to, for example if the activity that you are deciding to do now will keep you busy past that hour.