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So, one of the complexer part of Java isn't completely finished, and they want to postpone the release instead of releasing something buggy. I'm fine with that.

So, one of the complexer part of Java isn't completely finished, and they want to postpone the release instead of releasing something buggy. I'm fine with that. Everybody survived with Java6 for half a decade as well. And three years with Java7.

pjmlp 10y ago
Me too, specially on Android where we still need to survive with Java 6 and cherry picked pieces from Java 7 and Java 8. Most likely it will never see 100% support for Java 8, or anything else that comes afterwards.
- cageface 10y ago
  If you can get away with using it Kotlin fixes almost everything I dislike about Java and works for Android development today.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Actually I spend most of my time on C++ side, which also has its own share of issues regarding Android tooling. Still checking in how Kotlin support evolves, my experience using languages like Turbo Pascal, Delphi and Oberon made me weary of using using languages that aren't directly supported by platform owners for production code.
    - rallycarre 10y ago
      Kotlin is amazing. It takes the best parts of Scala while keeping the simplicity of Java. It may not be supported by Google but it was created by Jetbrains, the developer of Ideaide which is what Android Studio is based on, so it's support is top notch. The best part of Kotlin is there is near zero cost to using it. You can learn it in a day and is fully interoperable with Java. :)
      - premium-concern 10y ago
        That's kind of nonsense. Kotlin adds some syntax sugar to Java, but it's not related to Scala in any reasonable way.
needusername 10y ago
What bothers me is that there are tons of improvements in the VM area that we'll have to wait for longer. All of this only because Oracle stubbornly merged Jigsaw into trunk before it was even close the ready. All the issues surfacing now people have been telling Oracle for the past five years. Or Oracle simply could have looked at the experience gained with OSGi over the past decade, especially the OSGi enterprise specification.

pjmlp 10y ago

Me too, specially on Android where we still need to survive with Java 6 and cherry picked pieces from Java 7 and Java 8. Most likely it will never see 100% support for Java 8, or anything else that comes afterwards.

cageface 10y ago
If you can get away with using it Kotlin fixes almost everything I dislike about Java and works for Android development today.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Actually I spend most of my time on C++ side, which also has its own share of issues regarding Android tooling. Still checking in how Kotlin support evolves, my experience using languages like Turbo Pascal, Delphi and Oberon made me weary of using using languages that aren't directly supported by platform owners for production code.
  - rallycarre 10y ago
    Kotlin is amazing. It takes the best parts of Scala while keeping the simplicity of Java. It may not be supported by Google but it was created by Jetbrains, the developer of Ideaide which is what Android Studio is based on, so it's support is top notch. The best part of Kotlin is there is near zero cost to using it. You can learn it in a day and is fully interoperable with Java. :)
    - premium-concern 10y ago
      That's kind of nonsense. Kotlin adds some syntax sugar to Java, but it's not related to Scala in any reasonable way.

needusername 10y ago

What bothers me is that there are tons of improvements in the VM area that we'll have to wait for longer. All of this only because Oracle stubbornly merged Jigsaw into trunk before it was even close the ready. All the issues surfacing now people have been telling Oracle for the past five years. Or Oracle simply could have looked at the experience gained with OSGi over the past decade, especially the OSGi enterprise specification.