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Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable pr

Mountain View to San Francisco Is this product actually just limited to driving 280 / 101? If so, that's a really interesting way to launch a minimum viable product in the self-driving space: Obviously you can't launch with anything incomplete in terms of safety, but you can launch with a highly restricted supported geography.

j-walker 10y ago
That would also help them in terms of weather predictability (no snow, very rarely rains)....
Fricken 10y ago
He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the-comma-one/57d8713d1c689950401ac8c2/ https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.
- jsmthrowaway 10y ago
  > Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs What makes you say this?
  - trevyn 10y ago
    Well, there's this: http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/famed-hacker-arrested-for-pot-possession-en-route-to-sxsw/ http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/famed-hacker-arrested-for-pot...
  - radicality 10y ago
    Even the moderator in this video asks him "Whatever you are on, I want some" :P
  - Fricken 10y ago
    I guess you didn't watch the video. He goes out of his way to trash talk every big player in the industry. It's entertaining, informative, and cringeworthy. I like George Hotz, but I was attempting to preempt anyone who might dismiss his substance because they don't like his style.
    - tim333 10y ago
      It was a bit over the top and reminded me of the Silicon Valley TV show which he cited as an influence.
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- pjc50 10y ago
  > "you still have to pay attention" The dangerous kind of not-really-autonomous.
jmole 10y ago
The only reason they can "launch" this is because the driver will still be held responsible for the actions of the car, no matter what their system does or doesn't do. I.e, I can install a radar detector, but no way will I be able to sue the manufacturer if I get a ticket. This isn't just a minimum viable product, it's a minimum liability product.
- joakleaf 10y ago
  Is it though? If you start tampering with the hardware of the car to splice in this box, will your insurance cover even in normal situations?
dharma1 10y ago
I think he just used that as an example of what types of journeys can be driven. What mostly bothers me about this is his disregard to whether someone dies or not using the product. But hey, as long as they're shipping this year, under $1000, that's all that matters right? I've read their paper and it's solid ML research, he's got a few good guys on the team. And I don't really disagree about MobilEye. But there are so many other DL/RL product spaces they could have picked without risking people's lives - it kind of seems he is on a mission to prove Musk and some other companies wrong, no matter what the risks to users. I sincerely hope no one dies as a result of using this.
- Fricken 10y ago
  It's silly to be throwing out dire warnings about Comma's product without first going after Tesla. With a level 2 system, whether it works 90% of the time, or 99.9% of the time, the driver has still got to watch the road and be ready to respond in an instant. In fact, the less reliable the system is, the less there is the likelihood that a driver will entrust their life to it when they shouldn't.
  - dharma1 10y ago
    I agree - I think the way Musk has been so bullish in public about autonomous driving is dangerous. I think Tesla needs more sensors, in particular LIDAR, and better software too, and I'm not sure Autopilot is an apt name for a level 2 system like the one on Tesla or the new Volvos. However, I think that difference between 90% and 99.99999% is crucial, and that boils down to the quality of the software and hardware, and the amount of testing. I find it irresponsible to beta test a product on users when there is a very real chance of something going wrong and people dying or getting injured.
    - Fricken 10y ago
      This came out today. Autopilot's body count just doubled: https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-emerges-model-s-hits-a-streetsweeper-truck-caught-on-dashcam/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot...

j-walker 10y ago

That would also help them in terms of weather predictability (no snow, very rarely rains)....

Fricken 10y ago

He's saying that he's done that drive without touching the wheel. It will work in other places, but he emphasizes that you still have to pay attention, as with autopilot. He gives the full talk here: https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the-comma-one/57d8713d1c689950401ac8c2/ https://techcrunch.com/video/george-geohot-hotz-presents-the... Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs, but surprisingly, Hotz is not a bullshitter as far as I can tell.

jsmthrowaway 10y ago
> Yes, he's a punk and seemingly on drugs What makes you say this?
- trevyn 10y ago
  Well, there's this: http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/famed-hacker-arrested-for-pot-possession-en-route-to-sxsw/ http://abovethelaw.com/2012/03/famed-hacker-arrested-for-pot...
- radicality 10y ago
  Even the moderator in this video asks him "Whatever you are on, I want some" :P
- Fricken 10y ago
  I guess you didn't watch the video. He goes out of his way to trash talk every big player in the industry. It's entertaining, informative, and cringeworthy. I like George Hotz, but I was attempting to preempt anyone who might dismiss his substance because they don't like his style.
  - tim333 10y ago
    It was a bit over the top and reminded me of the Silicon Valley TV show which he cited as an influence.
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pjc50 10y ago
> "you still have to pay attention" The dangerous kind of not-really-autonomous.

jmole 10y ago

The only reason they can "launch" this is because the driver will still be held responsible for the actions of the car, no matter what their system does or doesn't do. I.e, I can install a radar detector, but no way will I be able to sue the manufacturer if I get a ticket. This isn't just a minimum viable product, it's a minimum liability product.

joakleaf 10y ago
Is it though? If you start tampering with the hardware of the car to splice in this box, will your insurance cover even in normal situations?

dharma1 10y ago

I think he just used that as an example of what types of journeys can be driven. What mostly bothers me about this is his disregard to whether someone dies or not using the product. But hey, as long as they're shipping this year, under $1000, that's all that matters right? I've read their paper and it's solid ML research, he's got a few good guys on the team. And I don't really disagree about MobilEye. But there are so many other DL/RL product spaces they could have picked without risking people's lives - it kind of seems he is on a mission to prove Musk and some other companies wrong, no matter what the risks to users. I sincerely hope no one dies as a result of using this.

Fricken 10y ago
It's silly to be throwing out dire warnings about Comma's product without first going after Tesla. With a level 2 system, whether it works 90% of the time, or 99.9% of the time, the driver has still got to watch the road and be ready to respond in an instant. In fact, the less reliable the system is, the less there is the likelihood that a driver will entrust their life to it when they shouldn't.
- dharma1 10y ago
  I agree - I think the way Musk has been so bullish in public about autonomous driving is dangerous. I think Tesla needs more sensors, in particular LIDAR, and better software too, and I'm not sure Autopilot is an apt name for a level 2 system like the one on Tesla or the new Volvos. However, I think that difference between 90% and 99.99999% is crucial, and that boils down to the quality of the software and hardware, and the amount of testing. I find it irresponsible to beta test a product on users when there is a very real chance of something going wrong and people dying or getting injured.
  - Fricken 10y ago
    This came out today. Autopilot's body count just doubled: https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot-crash-emerges-model-s-hits-a-streetsweeper-truck-caught-on-dashcam/ https://electrek.co/2016/09/14/another-fatal-tesla-autopilot...