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> Let it be known that these criminal acts are greatly compromising the effort by the global anti-doping community to re-establish trust in Russia Seems like t
by supergirl 10y ago
> Let it be known that these criminal acts are greatly compromising the effort by the global anti-doping community to re-establish trust in Russia
Seems like they imply the Russian state is behind this but they don't explicitly say it, probably because they have no proof, as always. What trust do I have in WADA when they clearly have a bias against Russia?
- tptacek 10y agoThe conclusion is not WADA's, so your distrust of WADA has very little to do with the story.
- supergirl 10y agoWhat do you mean? That statement was made by Olivier Niggli, Director General, WADA
- conistonwater 10y agoThey are not the organization that conducted the investigation.
- supergirl 10y agoYou didn't get me. In this post they say the attack originated in Russia. I hope you don't think that automatically means the government did it. In any case, wada does not explicitly accuse the government. But still they give that condescending statement, as if Russia now has to become a country without criminals to win trust back. I think it is telling of their bias.
- threeseed 10y agoThe extent of doping in Russia was far beyond anything seen elsewhere. So yes when you have a complete collapse in trust in a country they will have to earn their way back.
- supergirl 10y agoPlease stop with this. You are repeating some argument that is not relevant in this discussion.
- tptacek 10y agoAgain: WADA isn't the organization that determined the where the attack came from.
- celticninja 10y agoYou would do well to read the article, specifically: “WADA has been informed by law enforcement authorities that these attacks are originating out of Russia,” A quick google search of Fancy Bears (the name the hackers have used on their release page) links them to APT28: "APT28, as it's known by FireEye/Mandiant, is also called Tsar Team by iSIGHT Partners, Sednit by Eset, Fancy Bear by CrowdStrike, and Operation Pawn Storm by Trend Micro. This attack group goes after NATO, Eastern European government and military agencies, defense, and Russian adversaries, the report notes." WADA didnt investigate, the investigation is done by competent security analysts, and whilst I am aware that anything is this sphere is possibly misinformation/propaganda from both sides, it would seem evident that after Russia were sanctioned for doping, then hackers release data on suspected US doping that there is an easy link to make. And there is very little to be gained by another adversary trying to make trouble between the US and Russia with such an attack.
- supergirl 10y agoYou would do well to try to understand my comment better. Is there proof this hacker group is the Russian government? I don's hear any and even wada did not claim this. Therefore it is a criminal group from Russia. Why should Russia as a state be punished for its criminals? Is that how it works now?
- s_q_b 10y agoUsually I trust Kaspersky to ID the correct Advanced Persistent Threat when it's Western and FireEye when it's non-Western, in this case APT28 a.k.a Fancy Bear. APT28 is pretty obviously Russia, due to character encodings in the files, timestamps, etc. etc. etc. If I'm not mistaken, the attacks almost always also leak the location of a particular Russian government building. The technical evidence for their previous attacks is so extensive it seems they want to be caught. They're who the Russian government sends when they want to make it obvious it was them to other governments, but don't want to start an open conflict.
- threeseed 10y agoWADA doesn't have a particular bias against Russia. It's undisputed that there was state supported and sanctioned doping regimes that athletes were full aware of. If anything WADA and the IOC have been far too lenient with Russia given the extent of evidence.