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This looks like Google+ without the name. I always thought this is how Google+ should have been introduced. Small steps, without the hype, integrated in all Goo

This looks like Google+ without the name. I always thought this is how Google+ should have been introduced. Small steps, without the hype, integrated in all Google products. Now it's too late and people will be bugged by every future attempt at social sharing / community building.

Roodgorf 10y ago
I had the exact same thought, "Oh hey, they're trying Google+ again, quaint."
dzhiurgis 10y ago
I think its more of answer to Patreon where most decent YouTubers nowadays get sponsored and provide extra content in exchange. I was never bothered to register, hence I assume reducing friction might increase my spend on educainment. What I really want though, is proper commenting system under videos.
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  The answer to Patreon would be to actually care about people; they have rely on things like Patreon because to outright trust Youtube/Google alone would be suicidal to their online video career thingy. If that's the only channel you can communicate to your fans with and your only stream of revenue, you know it could be gone any second without even an answer from a human for some of the more messed up things. That's kind of all you need to know. Big youtubers might get some grease when they squeak, but for every one of those there are probably hundreds or thousands we never hear of.
- sinxoveretothex 10y ago
  > What I really want though, is proper commenting system under videos. I'm curious to know what you mean by that? As far as youtube comments being the butt-end of jokes about bad comments, I think this is just due to the fact that video is the great common denominator (and thus, the intellectual filter is very very low). Reddit's r/videos is limited to "non-political" videos for much the same reasons (and given that r/politicalvideos is... well, let's say the comment quality is not consistent. I don't really see how this can be improved: a voting system won't filter low-effort/common denominator comments if what the majority wants is low effort comments. Or just if the mass of low effort comments is too large. And since low effort is easy to make, the mass will be large. CGPGrey on what kind of ideas/memes spread faster: http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/this-video-will-make-you-angry http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/this-video-will-make-you-angry H3h3 on the insane number of views on 'minecraft sex' videos (which is exactly the kind of thing I mean when taking about common denominator): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LhrbSp6Mw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LhrbSp6Mw And then there's the lessons of Twitch Plays Pokemon: they had to remove the ability to request multiple keypresses at once because people kept stalling (start10) for example.
  - will_hughes 10y ago
    As best as I can tell, there's no way to find your previous comments, OR to tell if you've received a reply. It's a commenting system without the pretty standard minimum feature set pretty much every other commenting system has.
    - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
      > OR to tell if you've received a reply. Most likely to contain flame wars. We're dealing with base level humanity on YouTube. You have to enact these sort of constraints to keep things tolerable.
      - mapt 10y ago
        That may be the goal, but when you're trying to convince people to join your social network, this is the sort of thing that stops them.
      - will_hughes 10y ago
        I know Youtube Comments are generally the worst - but when some content creator says "Hey, leave a comment below if you have questions" - and you do leave a comment, then you've got no way of knowing whether they've replied. It seems like they may as well just remove commenting, at that point.
      - PavlovsCat 10y ago
        Except this does much less to curtail flamewars (what would not be able to find one's own old reply do for that?) than it does to curtail exchange of thoughts and growth. Also, you do get notifications for replies, though not a great overview of them. For flaming, that's fine and more than enough. It's just useless for actually discussing anything.
      - xg15 10y ago
        If you wanted to contain flame wars, wouldn't the very first step be not to prioritize controversial comments in the ranking algorithm? (as mentioned above in this thread) Currently, the system rather seems to encourage flame wars then to prevent them. You might not find the comment that you were planning to reply - but you'll always find some comment that you can spray fresh vitriol on. Finally, as a constraint I find the design odd - it doesn't actually prevent you from doing anything, it just makes an arbitrary set of actions unnecessarily hard.
- chc 10y ago
  Isn't the core function of Patreon patronage (i.e. giving money to the artist)? Does YouTube Community do that at all?

Roodgorf 10y ago

I had the exact same thought, "Oh hey, they're trying Google+ again, quaint."

dzhiurgis 10y ago

I think its more of answer to Patreon where most decent YouTubers nowadays get sponsored and provide extra content in exchange. I was never bothered to register, hence I assume reducing friction might increase my spend on educainment. What I really want though, is proper commenting system under videos.

PavlovsCat 10y ago
The answer to Patreon would be to actually care about people; they have rely on things like Patreon because to outright trust Youtube/Google alone would be suicidal to their online video career thingy. If that's the only channel you can communicate to your fans with and your only stream of revenue, you know it could be gone any second without even an answer from a human for some of the more messed up things. That's kind of all you need to know. Big youtubers might get some grease when they squeak, but for every one of those there are probably hundreds or thousands we never hear of.
sinxoveretothex 10y ago
> What I really want though, is proper commenting system under videos. I'm curious to know what you mean by that? As far as youtube comments being the butt-end of jokes about bad comments, I think this is just due to the fact that video is the great common denominator (and thus, the intellectual filter is very very low). Reddit's r/videos is limited to "non-political" videos for much the same reasons (and given that r/politicalvideos is... well, let's say the comment quality is not consistent. I don't really see how this can be improved: a voting system won't filter low-effort/common denominator comments if what the majority wants is low effort comments. Or just if the mass of low effort comments is too large. And since low effort is easy to make, the mass will be large. CGPGrey on what kind of ideas/memes spread faster: http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/this-video-will-make-you-angry http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/this-video-will-make-you-angry H3h3 on the insane number of views on 'minecraft sex' videos (which is exactly the kind of thing I mean when taking about common denominator): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LhrbSp6Mw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3LhrbSp6Mw And then there's the lessons of Twitch Plays Pokemon: they had to remove the ability to request multiple keypresses at once because people kept stalling (start10) for example.
- will_hughes 10y ago
  As best as I can tell, there's no way to find your previous comments, OR to tell if you've received a reply. It's a commenting system without the pretty standard minimum feature set pretty much every other commenting system has.
  - kevin_thibedeau 10y ago
    > OR to tell if you've received a reply. Most likely to contain flame wars. We're dealing with base level humanity on YouTube. You have to enact these sort of constraints to keep things tolerable.
    - mapt 10y ago
      That may be the goal, but when you're trying to convince people to join your social network, this is the sort of thing that stops them.
    - will_hughes 10y ago
      I know Youtube Comments are generally the worst - but when some content creator says "Hey, leave a comment below if you have questions" - and you do leave a comment, then you've got no way of knowing whether they've replied. It seems like they may as well just remove commenting, at that point.
    - PavlovsCat 10y ago
      Except this does much less to curtail flamewars (what would not be able to find one's own old reply do for that?) than it does to curtail exchange of thoughts and growth. Also, you do get notifications for replies, though not a great overview of them. For flaming, that's fine and more than enough. It's just useless for actually discussing anything.
    - xg15 10y ago
      If you wanted to contain flame wars, wouldn't the very first step be not to prioritize controversial comments in the ranking algorithm? (as mentioned above in this thread) Currently, the system rather seems to encourage flame wars then to prevent them. You might not find the comment that you were planning to reply - but you'll always find some comment that you can spray fresh vitriol on. Finally, as a constraint I find the design odd - it doesn't actually prevent you from doing anything, it just makes an arbitrary set of actions unnecessarily hard.
chc 10y ago
Isn't the core function of Patreon patronage (i.e. giving money to the artist)? Does YouTube Community do that at all?