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Why the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (ma

by ezhik_ 10y ago

Why the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (maybe year or even more)? It sounds like a broken joke from 60s... Yes, I'm Russian. Yes, I live in Russia. And Yes, I like my country.

jonathankoren 10y ago
Maybe because the evidence both online and offline implicates them? Lest we forget the events of Sochi. http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453 http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453
- ezhik_ 10y ago
  Yeah, but think about this points: a) this report is based on words of the man, that run away from Russia after the Prosecutor's office started an investigation about his actions on RUSADA president position. Charges against him includes selling a restricted drugs. His sister was sent to prison for selling a restricted drugs several year ago, but the investigators wasn't able to find "her dealer". b) this report is done by Richard Mclaren, who was one of the first people, that started to talk about such awful events is the sport world. So he i not the correct person to investigate such situation. c) Richard Mclaren and WADA said that the have a solid proves of the accusations in Sochi report, but still they declined to show them anybody including Tomas Bah. I don't support any of conspiracy theories, but this one smells very-very bad. b) Will the judge of any US court accept similar case with no evidence? If yes, then probably there is no any kind of problems with law in Russia...
bsder 10y ago
> Why the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (maybe year or even more)? It sounds like a broken joke from 60s... You are likely on solid ground accusing the US government of using Russia as an excuse. When you accuse WADA of being "pro-US"; however, you lose all your credibility.
- ezhik_ 10y ago
  Probably you should read a data, leaked from WADA about US sportsmen and the drugs they used before talking about my credibility.
  - mulmen 10y ago
    Can you provide this data to enlighten the rest of us?
    - mulmen 10y ago
      Not sure why the downvote, do we not ask for evidence anymore?
      - jacalata 10y ago
        This whole thread is about the leak of that exact data
    - ezhik_ 10y ago
      Hackers website: http://fancybear.net/ http://fancybear.net/. There is documents, that WADA allowed Serena Williams to take oxycodone and hydromorphone (opioids), prednisone, prednisolone, and methylprednisolone. Her sister Venus Williams was allowed to take prednisone, prednisolone, triamcinolone and formoterol. This is very strong grungs, they should lay in hostpital if they need then for living (owning some of this drugs will cause a 14 years sentence in EU). There is also info about Simone Biles and Elena Delle Donne and they promise more :)
      - mlvljr 10y ago
        Вот с этого бы и начинал. Эмоций надо поменьше, а то заклюют ни за понюх :)
  - threeseed 10y ago
    There is a difference between doping amongst athletes and state sponsored doping regimes.
andreasley 10y ago
Because it serves their interest to say so, regardless if it's actually true. Russia is a welcome target and it's basically impossible to prove who's reponsible for a hack like this (the korean symbols in the Fancy Bear's website's [1] source code are cute though). Also, that's how media works these days. One press release to Reuters, and all the newspapers publish the same "facts". That being said, I think it's fairly plausible that some actor with relations to Russia would publish documents like these. [1] http://fancybear.net http://fancybear.net
- ezhik_ 10y ago
  This is driving me crazy. No proves was provided of almost any (all?) claims against Russia in the last 2-3 years. They just continue saying: "It was Russian", "It was Putin" etc. But where is the proves? Give me then and I'll stop talking about this. Several years ago I used to support eastern position in all situation in Russia. But after accusation against Russia with no proves started to appear I become quite disappointed in the US...
DanBC 10y ago
Here's a description of Russian state sponsored trolling. It's worth a read, even though it's long. http://www.stratcomcoe.org/internet-trolling-hybrid-warfare-tool-case-latvia-0 http://www.stratcomcoe.org/internet-trolling-hybrid-warfare-... Especially page 60 onwards is useful.
- ezhik_ 10y ago
  I can give you my contacts or meet you anyway in the world, so you can be sure, that I'm not a troll, that was payed by Russian government. Just pay me for tickets. I'm just a simple family man, who works as a programmer and in less the one year I will post my startup here, at Hacker News :)
- mlvljr 10y ago
  Some of us do it for free [lulz] tho. COngrats, u've been Russian-trolled :V
celticninja 10y ago
That's not really true now is it. One of the most technically proficient hacks of recent times would have to be the Stuxnet attack, which is largely accepted to be the work of the US security services. this was widely covered in all media regardless of their affiliation with the US. In addition many attacks have been attributed to China in the period you have mentioned. It is incredibly likely that US based hackers have attacked both Russian and Chinese targets however both these governments would cover up these through control of state media to prevent what they would see as embarassment. Western media will report on hacks regardless of which government had done them if they were aware of the hack occuring. No problems with liking your country but blindly believing everything put out by state controlled media does not have to be part of that.

by ezhik_ 10y ago

jonathankoren 10y ago

Maybe because the evidence both online and offline implicates them? Lest we forget the events of Sochi. http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453 http://m.bbc.com/sport/36823453

ezhik_ 10y ago
Yeah, but think about this points: a) this report is based on words of the man, that run away from Russia after the Prosecutor's office started an investigation about his actions on RUSADA president position. Charges against him includes selling a restricted drugs. His sister was sent to prison for selling a restricted drugs several year ago, but the investigators wasn't able to find "her dealer". b) this report is done by Richard Mclaren, who was one of the first people, that started to talk about such awful events is the sport world. So he i not the correct person to investigate such situation. c) Richard Mclaren and WADA said that the have a solid proves of the accusations in Sochi report, but still they declined to show them anybody including Tomas Bah. I don't support any of conspiracy theories, but this one smells very-very bad. b) Will the judge of any US court accept similar case with no evidence? If yes, then probably there is no any kind of problems with law in Russia...

bsder 10y ago

> Why the hell US government, US media and pro-US organizations (ex. WADA) says that the Russian government was behind all hacking attacks in the last 6 month (maybe year or even more)? It sounds like a broken joke from 60s... You are likely on solid ground accusing the US government of using Russia as an excuse. When you accuse WADA of being "pro-US"; however, you lose all your credibility.

ezhik_ 10y ago
Probably you should read a data, leaked from WADA about US sportsmen and the drugs they used before talking about my credibility.
- mulmen 10y ago
  Can you provide this data to enlighten the rest of us?
  - mulmen 10y ago
    Not sure why the downvote, do we not ask for evidence anymore?
    - jacalata 10y ago
      This whole thread is about the leak of that exact data
  - ezhik_ 10y ago
    Hackers website: http://fancybear.net/ http://fancybear.net/. There is documents, that WADA allowed Serena Williams to take oxycodone and hydromorphone (opioids), prednisone, prednisolone, and methylprednisolone. Her sister Venus Williams was allowed to take prednisone, prednisolone, triamcinolone and formoterol. This is very strong grungs, they should lay in hostpital if they need then for living (owning some of this drugs will cause a 14 years sentence in EU). There is also info about Simone Biles and Elena Delle Donne and they promise more :)
    - mlvljr 10y ago
      Вот с этого бы и начинал. Эмоций надо поменьше, а то заклюют ни за понюх :)
- threeseed 10y ago
  There is a difference between doping amongst athletes and state sponsored doping regimes.

andreasley 10y ago

Because it serves their interest to say so, regardless if it's actually true. Russia is a welcome target and it's basically impossible to prove who's reponsible for a hack like this (the korean symbols in the Fancy Bear's website's [1] source code are cute though). Also, that's how media works these days. One press release to Reuters, and all the newspapers publish the same "facts". That being said, I think it's fairly plausible that some actor with relations to Russia would publish documents like these. [1] http://fancybear.net http://fancybear.net

ezhik_ 10y ago
This is driving me crazy. No proves was provided of almost any (all?) claims against Russia in the last 2-3 years. They just continue saying: "It was Russian", "It was Putin" etc. But where is the proves? Give me then and I'll stop talking about this. Several years ago I used to support eastern position in all situation in Russia. But after accusation against Russia with no proves started to appear I become quite disappointed in the US...

DanBC 10y ago

Here's a description of Russian state sponsored trolling. It's worth a read, even though it's long. http://www.stratcomcoe.org/internet-trolling-hybrid-warfare-tool-case-latvia-0 http://www.stratcomcoe.org/internet-trolling-hybrid-warfare-... Especially page 60 onwards is useful.

ezhik_ 10y ago
I can give you my contacts or meet you anyway in the world, so you can be sure, that I'm not a troll, that was payed by Russian government. Just pay me for tickets. I'm just a simple family man, who works as a programmer and in less the one year I will post my startup here, at Hacker News :)
mlvljr 10y ago
Some of us do it for free [lulz] tho. COngrats, u've been Russian-trolled :V

celticninja 10y ago

That's not really true now is it. One of the most technically proficient hacks of recent times would have to be the Stuxnet attack, which is largely accepted to be the work of the US security services. this was widely covered in all media regardless of their affiliation with the US. In addition many attacks have been attributed to China in the period you have mentioned. It is incredibly likely that US based hackers have attacked both Russian and Chinese targets however both these governments would cover up these through control of state media to prevent what they would see as embarassment. Western media will report on hacks regardless of which government had done them if they were aware of the hack occuring. No problems with liking your country but blindly believing everything put out by state controlled media does not have to be part of that.